Just had a bit of a surprise, a nice one, my next door neighbour knocked on my door. He had a parcel from Saratosa that arrived this morning. The turbo evac oil pump arrived and over the christmas period too! 6 days from it being ordered, that was good

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Daves wife must run that part of the business lol

Dunno but its here and fitted now, Ive faced it the other way round and kept the oil pipe from the turbo away from the turbo as much as I can. Hopefully it can loose a bit of heat that way too..........
Happy new year and thanks a Million for your help recently
I guess Ill be speaking further about the mapping............LOL
Cheers
Grin

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Pics Please.

Romans, sorry about slight delay , back at work now and already going flatout ....was nt expecting this so soon. Im looking at changing jobs for something a little more home based and not so hectic......is there such a thing?

Anyway sorry bout not posting pics ?Ive been a touch busy. What I have found is a guy near to me who can dyno my bike, we talked on the phone for a while and it appears he is working with Terry Rymer, ex Kawasaki racer, with very long contacts with Kawasaki anyway he can remap the Ecu (similar thing to Guhl I guess but he seemed to state that he can do anything in respect of changine parameters with the ecu.....I need to have a further chat with him, but he did say he can alter the fuelling and timing and all the other usually asked for parameters.) What I do want to do though is to up the rev limiter out of the normal way , say up to 12k and then there is no chance of fuel cut....and then damaging the motor if you were to hit the rev limmiter... Also I will get him to retard the timming throughout the range and more so at high revs. Saves more piggys......
He would then do a normal map on the PCIII to fuel the bike He s done many turbo bikes and sorted a few that have been damaged from elsewhere.
Sounds promising????/
Its good to know he also does many WSB and BSB bikes for various race teams.......not turbos but a good CV?

Ill still bang some pics on when I get back to the UK. But as I say its got the pump motor pointing out to the right between the water pipes and ran the oil drain from the turbo forward and inside the fairing, across behind the front wheel and then up the side of the radiator and backwards to the top of the pump.The outlet runs down out of the pump and then across behind the turbo and into the sump plug, soon to be done as yours straight into the side at the back of the sump.
Do you have a print out of your afr across the rev range?

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I need to have a further chat with him, but he did say he can alter the fuelling and timing and all the other usually asked for parameters.) What I do want to do though is to up the rev limiter out of the normal way , say up to 12k and then there is no chance of fuel cut....and then damaging the motor if you were to hit the rev limmiter... Also I will get him to retard the timming throughout the range and more so at high revs. Saves more piggys......

Fuel If it were me I would def raise but that to brings in a New Danger.

Timing, if he adjusts to get you safely running ok, but Can you adjust back to stock after ???? power lost if not ?

He would then do a normal map on the PCIII to fuel the bike He s done many turbo bikes and sorted a few that have been damaged from elsewhere.
Sounds promising????/

Sounded Good right up till

does many WSB and BSB bikes for various race teams.......not turbos

Not Turbos ?????

Do you have a print out of your afr across the rev range?

No, only in PCV Maps and it's of my own design. Making the Bike the Best dual purpose Was my goal. Not just a Track Map. When off boost she is just like all other 14's But go wide open throttle Tire blows off. Exactly what I wanted.

Grin just thinking about your situation and was thinking if you go this route You will be totally in the hands of others with No Adjustment after. Is this the better way ???? If you got the doe, install PCV and Auto tune then take it to your guy. Better in the long run if your a hands on guy.

Hey I dont believe it ! You must be on the same wavelength I emailed dynojet yesterday to ask them pretty much the same thing. how much etc ....ill let you know.
One other thing I am in the south of france and Monaco and saw something I ll post a pick of it see what you think...
cheers for now Grin

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... but he did say he can alter the fueling and timing.

He may be using Christian Piasini's stuff? If he's not using Ridge's setup, I'd ask HOW?

What I do want to do though is to up the rev limiter out of the normal way , say up to 12k and then there is no chance of fuel cut...

I don't know about that? I mean the limiter and the 16.5:1 fuel cut both in play. I'm trying to remember if you can limitless one wire, or the other wire? Meaning, I can toggle a rev limiter, but I see 18:1 needle become buried, whereas, I toggle a non-limiter, I see the 16.5 cut.

On lift, or roll the throttle off, stock, she always leans out to 18+ AFR. On the hard cut, I would assume they mean the 16.5 hard cut. That more is the rich, 'we take pee cautions and really pee down the cylinders.' This is the hard you want. 16.5 is richer, obviously, so make sure that is on.

... and then damaging the motor if you were to hit the rev limmiter...

If you know the torque is lower than the limiter, how much are a few hundred rpm if you are not building an all out bike. If this is a street bike, a little insurance can go a long way, just because you had to have it... And now look at that wad in a box.

Also I will get him to retard the timing throughout the range and more so at high revs. Saves more piggys...

Good luck. Without knowing how that X to Y works out, the software in the computer will (+/-) your map out of range. He just can't jeffo the numbers in without the recheck-machine recalcs that map. Then, there is something that says, if you change X, Y will follow suit, even if you messed with the ignition map. Then, tune this map after the ign? No, what I think might happen is the fuel is the alpha. So what you changed in one map, the other has to follow that curve, or bumps your curve out to the (+/-) as it did the fuel map. Very tricky to make a map so no one cries for one. Basically, that is what I sort of see happening, based on this race kit-ECU software.

* Last updated by: Hub on 1/14/2012 @ 5:50 PM *

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I mean the limiter and the 16.5:1 fuel cut both in play. I'm trying to remember if you can limitless one wire

As I understand it ,,,,when fuel cut comes in it shuts off fuel to 1 cylinder and 4 four,,,, = TURBO goes BooM

No fuel cut is what we want,,,, shut off spark

As I understand it ,,,,when fuel cut comes in it shuts off fuel to 1 cylinder and 4 four,,,, = TURBO goes BooM

As I understand it, my AFR would swing on a sample rate of 1-4 on lift. That needle is fast enough, it would catch up to both 1-4 taking a dump. I did not see that analog needle move sporadically, but a fluid steady 16.5:1 needle setting.

When that timing is retarded, or say, you read the old way to tune a primitive computer bike, the ignition was set first with the vacuum advance not in play. This causes knock, because the ignition is more single numbered ignition, where as the vacuum advance setup was analog, or multi-numbered, where it was less abrupt getting to full advance.

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I did not see that analog needle move sporadically, but a fluid steady 16.5:1 needle setting.

hmmm, So when we hit limiter what exactly is happening ?

My plan is to install the MSD SB6 and have my rev limiter dropped to below what the ECU calls for. You know Spark off before Ecu sends kill by pulling fuel. This way she can't lean out in cyclinders one and four. Make sense ?????? or ?? No

I B Tinking this is best way of solving the the lean condition caused by over Reving. Pulling fuel under Full Boost is not good.

OMG what a can of worms.
I need to go back to him and ask a few more detailed questions
Not baack in the UK till sunday night but you can be sure Ill be onto him first thing monday....maybe before if I get impatient!

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Good question, Romes. Seems like I'd have to run a fuel pump pressure hose off the throttle body lines. Rev and watch fuel pressure drop. Next is to use 4 timing lights, hit rev, see which one drops out?

So, fuel did not cut out, but ignition did. We be listening to no one by my gauges.

* Last updated by: Hub on 1/16/2012 @ 12:14 PM *

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Hey, notice I said, when the vacuum advance line was on = Analog.
Hey, notice I said, when timing the ignition first = Timing Retard me hose eliminator.
Hey, then I said, you klustizz fuckers, don't you see the ignition hit 18 = I'm an analog runner?
Hey, then I put it together, you klustizz fucker me, why didn't you see limp is safe rich me a 16 5... She'Duh!

* Last updated by: Hub on 1/16/2012 @ 12:22 PM *

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YOu now see I do the flash me, I hit the 16.5 lifter no code. I radio dot that puppy.

Abstract me puppy. One software says, here is me radio dot. Toggle me hard = 16.5
Abstract me concept again but now here reads the same abstract; Toggle my name is now called, 'alpha' not 'hard' from one software toggling the same FI formula, like you cannot separate either.

I ride the analog.
I limp the alpha (a-N)

I keep telling you... You need to know the basics or you are struggling with the tune... I don't care if you bore the bodies, turbo it, throw bagpipes at it... Know your basics or blow the puppy up! FI style that is.

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I keep telling you... You need to know the basics or you are struggling with the tune... I don't care if you bore the bodies, turbo it, throw bagpipes at it... Know your basics or blow the puppy up! FI style that is.

Hub U Be Making My Brain Hurt Again.

Good question, Romes. Seems like I'd have to run a fuel pump pressure hose off the throttle body lines. Rev and watch fuel pressure drop. Next is to use 4 timing lights, hit rev, see which one drops out?

yep ????

OMG what a can of worms.
I need to go back to him and ask a few more detailed questions
Not baack in the UK till sunday night but you can be sure Ill be onto him first thing monday....maybe before if I get impatient!

Yup, Dem Worms taste yuk-E. All worth it.

You have to think; carb my copy out the jet, I am now FI. You throw the throttle closed, you still have vacuum pulling fuel out both jets. You need to keep that firing or BOOM on the light off, no? You can't throw the spark off and now light that back up? Throw the kill switch and turn it back on while doing a 100. It has to make a bang. So, how can this thing turn off the fuel (for cooling) or the spark (knocking on light up), how can you cool the engine?

If the FI system works like a carb jet, the carb never stops feeding, nor the ignition never stops firing. Does not FI mimic the carb/ign somewhat? Your transition did not bog, hesitate, pop, nor flame throw upon throttle opening, right? I'd be surprised if the abstract says the ign cuts out in a millisecond, then yeah, fine. But if it acts as a light switch/kill switch with a long delay? I'm not sure the delay is that long.

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I eventually got round to making the phone call to my dyno shop that I will be taking my bike to.
They have all the codes for the ecu. Actually they had a company in Germany cracking all the protocol, 2 years they were on it on and off, but then another 18months writing the firmware.....
Seems they can do almost anything with the Ecu regarding reprograming. It has many similarities with the zx10 Denso ECU
They can rewrite the kit ecu info and reprograme it into the standard ecu.
Anyway He actually recons to lower the rev limit not increase it by giving it a soft then hard cut. cant remember in the long conversation think the spark is retarded a long way at that point. We went on to talk about mapping on the zzr14 and the agreed factor of having a PCV AT and LCD 200 for what I want to do.
I will get the PC bits first run it for a short while then get it on the dyno. Best price I have seen has come from the States so will order them from over there!!!!(why are things so much cheaper in the good old US of A?)

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forgot to mention in the last post, I was working on the WRC round Monte Carlo and couldnt help myself taking a photo of this bus on what is the start straight of the Monaco grand prix F 1 circuit.....

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agreed factor of having a PCV AT and LCD 200 for what I want to do.

Agreed, hands on much better.

Hey Romans, how are you doing?
Ive been away again in the cold of scandinavia.....brrrrrrr, was a bit cold!
I am waiting for my bits of PC to arrive from states side.
I wonder if you could let me have a map of yours please, not a current one if you dont want but one I can study for the moment whilst I wait for my parts to arrive.
Many thanks in anticipation................
Grin

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I wonder if you could let me have a map of yours please, not a current one if you dont want but one I can study for the moment whilst I wait for my parts to arrive.
Many thanks in anticipation................Grin

Of course, what's mine is yours. Remember no two turbo set ups will be the same but this will get you going and the Auto Tune will fix the areas that are out [IF IF IF] you know how to use it. Useing Auto Tune is subject on it's own. Big learning curve there,,,,,, not in the directions. If you have AFR guage, Fuel Pressure Gauge, Boost gauge We can make her dance. Better order a spare back tire now. Just Sayin lol