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I think I'm gonna get hit.

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I just found a pair of new, long, Pazzo levers for ZX14 on eBayMotors for $179 delivered. Couldn't resist. Even though they are red. LOL.

Getting long, because in the event I need four fingers on the brake, I want it within easy reach. And because it will make the clutch easier on my hand.

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why on earth would you need 4 fingers on the brake?? one is all I EVER need even on the track!

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I just found a pair of new, long, Pazzo levers for ZX14 on eBayMotors for $179 delivered. Couldn't resist.

I really wonder how long that anodized surface will last. That may be one reason that real Pazzos are better than the knock offs. If it wares off, just paint it what ever color you want. I don't know if clear coat is a good measure to take to preserve the surface of anodized parts. Just gave the back of my sprocket a good coat to see how it looks. I masked off the area that mates with the wheel. The bare surface is much more appealing than the clear coated surface. maybe i'll post pics.

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I'm hoping I don't get screwed on this.

Nope . Bosco emailed me twice respooonding to my Ebay message as well as a email directly to the co.

Everything is set. Blue shorties with black adjusters. I just know these will work and they will be so stinking cheap I'll buy a set of regulars. Bosco---------YOU DA MAN!! you quicka den Jacky Chan..

* Last updated by: Rook on 1/29/2011 @ 12:58 AM *

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Jeff01ss wrote:

why on earth would you need 4 fingers on the brake?? one is all I EVER need even on the track!

Using Keith Code as well as MSF Experienced, and Total Control as references, when you ride on the street, there are going to be times when you want the front tire to lock up and the back tire to lock up all at the same time. MSF teaches it as a full-on panic stop, and I've done it 6 times from 50mph and don't want to do it again if possible.

Racing is not related to street riding in very many ways, per Total Control, other than choosing lines that will get you around without crossing into incoming traffic. In other words, Jeffie, your track days don't mean shit.

Plus, when you have the Ohlins in the back ratcheted all the way up and the side and top cases full to bursting for a week of national rally, one finger on the front brake won't do.

In other words, what you do on the race track doesn't apply to real world sport touring. So STFU.

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fuck off! I still say there is no reason for four fingers on the brakes! If you need more pressure than one or two fingers can deliver then your brakes are fucked! But, being the expert you are.....

* Last updated by: Jeff01ss on 1/29/2011 @ 10:33 AM *

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it's winter!

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I have heard a lot of things about "track riding" that I know dont apply to the street. However, I have taken 4 MSF classes and have never been told to lock up the front brakes. I have never tried it, and never will. I have never been on a sport bike that was "loaded" either, so, maybe that is appropriate for your situation. You CAN stop faster when you use both front and rear brakes, although I have been told not to by some "racers" . Well, I will likely take their advice...on the track, not off.

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I had long Titax levers on my '06.

Went with the longs just 'cuz I thought that the shorts looked disproportionate on the big zx14...

That being said, for my '08, I scored a set of CRG's with a short brake and long clutch and a Galfer rear rotor (from a forum member) for $200 tmd. Couldn't be happier.

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 1/29/2011 @ 3:24 PM *

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You know how to shop. I never come across deals like that. If I did, I wouldn't have to obsess over bargain brands.

Went with the longs just 'cuz I thought that the shorts looked disproportionate on the big zx14...

I think I'm going to agree with you on that. We'll have to see how they feel to me. It really is only a difference of about an inch an a half. The shorts end right about where the notch in the standards are.

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I have taken 4 MSF classes and have never been told to lock up the front brakes. I have never tried it, and never will.

The back will lift up and lock when I brake hard front and back together. I have heard the drive line lash --that happens even with the clutch pulled. With me on the bike, the way I have done it, I am pretty sure I would topple over locking the front.

* Last updated by: Rook on 1/29/2011 @ 4:02 PM *

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Kinda why I went with the BLACK Pazzos at first.Shorties.They blended well with the black grips and hardware around there.But...alas....I got better performance from my stock(black) levers.Two fingers for me.My hand just won't allow me to get by with one finger...been broken too many times!

I've applied front brake to the point of"hearing" the frontend(tire I assume)begin to grunt.That's as far as I wanted to go.Unfortunately,I truly believe that practicing those hard stops at speed caused my rotors to become damaged somehow.I never could get the pulsing out of the brakes in front again....even with sanding and re-smoothing the pads (and replacing)it still was noticeably there...possibly dangerously so.My frontend would definitely judder when I used hard front braking.Not good on a rough surface.Still waiting to break in my EBC XC rotors and HH EBC PRO pads.Haven't been able to ride FOREVER it seems.There's a lot of momentum and weight going forward on the front tire with hard front braking.Even the tire mfg's say NOT to use hard braking in the first 100 miles or so.Once that tread gets a cupping in it...I don't think it ever goes away until the tire gets replaced.

Kinda like the rear...I've taken her to lock up...just to see what it feels like.Front's the same(to me)...though I haven't yet been brave enough to lock my front.But I suppose it's good to know how much pressure you'll need to lock it."grunting" is close enough for me.

I'm thinkin...IF ya get into a situation where ya have to lock both wheels...if yer anything but straight up and down,yer crashin anyway .A locked and skidding front and rear wheel isn't gonna save ya.

What I've noticed however...is in the Owner's Manual....they have a section on "how to ride the motorcycle"...okay...cool.Good stuff....BUT...they say NOTHING about how to bed in your new brakes.To me...that would seem very appropriate for a new bike owner.Do it wrong,and yer gonna have all sorts of braking issues..right?(and of course,they have had all sorts of braking issues with the 14).Still excellent brakes though...no doubt about that!

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Once that tread gets a cupping in it...I don't think it ever goes away until the tire gets replaced.

Reminds me. I have to post a pic of the back tires on my car. You can actually see the cupping on the outer edge. It's plain as day. Need to have alignment adjusted and new tires!

...they say NOTHING about how to bed in your new brakes.

I found being scared worked very well to bed in new brakes. I hardly touched 'em. I don't think I lost the circular scratches on the new rotors until a couple months went by. I was wondering where TF was all my nice circle scratches going. Thought there was something wrong about having them look like a phonograph record.

Now I sort of cooled it on telling the stories about grinding to a halt from hyper speed. It is embarassing yet funny as hell to see the look on other people's face after you just sort of appear out of thin air touching down the back wheel at the stop sign. Everyone just sits and looks. Nobody wants to move. That's how to bed in your brakes. I still have miles left in the stock pads at 25,500.

* Last updated by: Rook on 1/29/2011 @ 6:34 PM *

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Pazzos are knock-offs of another brand,the name escapes me at the moment.
Someone posted here they got Pazzos for $78,I find that hard to believe unless they were used.
I have an account with Pazzo and I can't even get them for that no matter how many I buy.

I bought mine for $78, I caught them on clearance of a going out of business site.

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They lost money on them and you got a hell of a deal.

I figured, and love them!

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All went quite smoothly. I communicated my specs fo color and size by email and by eBy message. Bosco Lee got back to me promptly. The order arrived today and it was exactly as I requested. Everything was bubble wrapped and the levers were also enclosed in a plastic bag. Everything survived shipping quite well. There was one tiny chip on the underside of one of the lever knobs. Very slight abrasion to the sharp corners on the bar end weights.

This whole thing was so cheap I'd be a fool to complain. Only thing I can say I'm not thrilled about at this point is that the grips do not match the color of the levers. The levers are a neutral blue as I hoped for. The anodizing on the grips is a slightly purplish blue which is also a common color but not the blue I favor for my bike. Oh well- $12 f0r grips and I think the weights were+$5. They match close enough. So cheap, I may order a set of blacks.

They included an allen wrench for the bar ends. Looks like extra rubber inserts too.

Finish looks good. You can see the lathing on the top and bottom but that is apparent from the pics on their site. Not objectionable, IMO.

I'll let you guys know how the fitment is. Hope I have better luck than jlewis02. He may have purchased from a different compant than the2wheel. The busa guys are all happy with their the2wheel levers. No probs.

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Rook, this is more a pre-load at the plunger. Take the OEM and see how much that plunger moves in, you stake the pin down the perch.

If that plunger moves farther in than the OEM's resting distance, you now load the rod to the pressure plate even more. I've mickey moused a nut in a hole of the OEM lever. Set a pretty thought out meguyveer that worked well. Thing was, no matter where I set it, I was slipping clutch big time.

Not only that, I don't think you can get as hair trigger as that OEM is right now. It was that meguyveer mickey mousing showed me how well that clutch assembly is tits on. So, if you do no measure or match the OEM's throw installing that aftermarket

You have to want to brake and lock the bike up. That instructor was a little bit off in the approach locking up both brakes, unless you were in the advanced 'all she wrote' class is that limited instructor and his skills or vast, as in been around the block some.

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I'll be keeping an eye on these. It's going to be an aducation in how the clutch lever works. If this lever causes partial clutch disengagment without touching the lever it won't be on there long. SO far have heard only positive feedback from the busa crowd.

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Glad ya got those Rookster...HUB...YOU are RIGHT ON wit yer Obs.I took my PAZZOS OFF because of that very thing...worked fine for several thousand miles...then,my clutch went south.For no reason...I thought. It was the lever at the spot where the plunger contacts it under there.Wore down just enough to,well,go south.Stockers are on....nary a peep since then.Busa crowd?Well,yeah,ahemmm.....you aint ridin a Busa Rook! BTW...yer levers and all look really good

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Hub wrote:

You have to want to brake and lock the bike up. That instructor was a little bit off in the approach locking up both brakes, unless you were in the advanced 'all she wrote' class is that limited instructor and his skills or vast, as in been around the block some.

This was the most difficult MSF Experienced Rider course I ever took. The ones in Alabama, New Mexico, and California were cake in comparison, though I still remember how alien counter-steering was when I first learned it in California in the 70s.

The instructor has been a senior MSF instructor since almost the beginning of MSF. He has ridden more miles than my entire MC combined. He walks with a cane, but from an automobile accident. Ironic.

And yes, we learned the "all she wrote" panic stop, and how to keep the bike 90 degrees verticle, and make it squat, and it is the most amazing thing I've ever been asked to do because it goes against all my instincts. Or did.

I know now that the maximum stopping power, and shortest stopping distance, is achieved the same way it is in a car without abs..... floor the brake pedal (and in the case of a bike, the front brake lever), adjust your body to keep her inline and let her squat, and she will come to stop without sliding or wagging almost as fast as a full-on abs stop.

This is not new, either. It is taught by the CHP in pursuit school and has been for 30+ years.

And I agree, it is not something most sportbike or cruiser riders ever want to think about doing.

I even had a ring-side seat to an perfect proof of concept. My MC club was on a ride, and we were zipping along a country road that was dead straight for about a mile. A blue van was parked along the side of the road. About the time the rider in front of me was three or four car lengths back from the back of the van, the van pulled a u-turn in front of her.

Yep, pulled out of the shoulder into a U-turn in the middle of a string of 20 motorcycles.

The lady in front of me, on her HD, had no choice but to lock 'em up. There was traffic in the lane on her left, and the shoulder would have thrown her into a barbwire fence, it was full of rocks and weeds. In MSF terms, she had NO escape route.

So she locked 'em up. Smoke came off both tires. That HD frame twisted and wanted to buck her off, but she kept the brakes locked, and it straightened out nice as could be, and she stopped a few feet from the side of the van, which had stopped like a deer in headlights.

That van rider is lucky he didn't get pulled from the van and stomped to death.

That lady got a ton of street cred. Had she not locked them up, it would be one more case of a stupid cage driver killing a motorcyclist.

I rest my case. :)

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... and it is the most amazing thing I've ever been asked to do because it goes against all my instincts. Or did.

Went to m/c traffic school before any r-racing. We did a drill or two on our bikes. The chippy instructor pulls me out of the whole group to demonstrate something to the class. Now, I'm reading this book and the philosophy is to be smooth and... I'm not finished with the bathroom reader.

Either way, I'm not learning much smooth so far. Whathe fuck is dis guy going to show me anyway, really. LOL

It is WOTiTizz.

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