Incorrect. If flashed correctly the secondaries can be made fully open at any requested throttle percentage by 2400-2600 rpm, or any rpm you choose. Anyone with the Woolich software that understands it's function will confirm. But it is a simple mathematical adjustment. Here is a picture of the exact map in question. Examine closely the blue shaded areas. All rpm ranges and throttle percentages covered. We have absolute proof of secondary throttle plate control confirmed with real time data logging and the dyno. I would reference Nels directly if there is any actual question of this. It is not some complex thing not understood. STP manipulation and control is a proven standard performance tuning function performed by adjustment of that map in the ecu.

* Last updated by: Cblast on 10/26/2014 @ 7:08 PM *

Those are percentages of opening in a basically stock map that hasn't been manipulated yet. We have tuned this particular machine and tried it in almost every conceivable configuration and I have the pics and dyno sheets to prove it. We have tried it flies in and flashed open, flies removed, short stacks, long stacks, etc., etc. Believe me, I want to go faster, not slower. If removing them with a screwdriver was the way, that's how Priscilla would be and I would share and show that. That is not the way. Simply flash them open correctly. I'm not trying to create a big debate or anything. This isn't worth a debate. It is a simple to understand and controlled mechanical function manipulated by the ecu. I am simply trying to present what I know here in a logical and clear easy to understand fashion. Sometimes that comes across incorrectly in a forum post.

* Last updated by: Cblast on 10/26/2014 @ 7:07 PM *

I agree with Cblast, they are controled by the ECU and it is adjustable with the Woolich application. Visit Woolich's site, all the features are listed there that are possible change in the ECU.

I knew C adjusted my secondaries into the 2400 spot...he said he did;)No fly removal needed.Believe me...C's flash doesn't NEED fly removal to get that torque and hp going.

I'm willing to accept your info, Seb. It makes sense.

I have a sneaking suspicion the OP wants to crack the throttle to .75 whilst cruising in 5th gear at 2000 RPM.

The 1441 engine won't tolerate that action regardless of how the STP tables are editted.

If she's vibrating like you said...she's tellin ya..."GEEZ...get crackin will ya?Me no like this Harley stuff";)

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 10/26/2014 @ 9:08 PM *

Absolutely Hagrid, that would make her shudder like a fat chick sittin on a paint shaker!

LMFAO Blast!!! HAHA!! The only thing is...I SAT a fat chick on paint shaker one time! Blew the freakin breaker and made her dentures fall out!!! Damn fun right up to there though!!! LMAO!!!!

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"We have tried it flies in and flashed open, flies removed, short stacks, long stacks, etc., etc. Believe me, I want to go faster, not slower. If removing them with a screwdriver was the way, that's how Priscilla would be and I would share and show that. That is not the way."

@ CBlast: Could you please describe the differences with your Flash, Flies removed Vs Flies in. I presently have my Flies removed on my stock 2014 and I love it but know there's more to it....and when I eventually get my ECU 'Blasted' is it mandatory or do you recommend that the Flies be reinstalled.

* Last updated by: zxhoya on 10/27/2014 @ 6:10 AM *

The difference with flies in vs., flies out with the Cblast flash is about .8 - 1.2 HP on the very top end. That's it. The top end will consistently post about a 1hp difference on a Dynamometer. That's the only difference. Priscilla will post about a 200-201hp number with them REMOVED, and a about a 202-203 with them installed. Everywhere else the lines of HP and Torque almost overlay each other. Data logging backs up this tested small difference.

Not mandatory at all to re-install them, once flashed the difference is so small, you most likely wouldn't notice.

Im not looking to make the engine do anything unreasonable, period. I want max low end power, thats all.

Why would Ivans flash not optimize the fly opening if it didnt already?

I also dont care about losing 2 HP up top so should I just pull them?

* Last updated by: Auron on 10/27/2014 @ 1:59 PM *

Forgive me if this has already been pointed out. These things will do about 80 in first gear, you want more low end put a bigger rear sprocket on it. Flash it and leave the flies alone.

It's been flashed, I guess I'll have to repeat myself, again: I'm not looking for anything unreasonable considering the gearing and monster top-end this bike has. All I want it MAX low-end power.

* Last updated by: Auron on 10/27/2014 @ 2:17 PM *

We've already told no bike on the market comes close to the bottom end this bike has. Gear it and be done if you want more. If you want to spend money pipe it but buy a pipe designed for low end torque. Don't know what pipe to buy for that. Most are designed to maximize top end.

Nasty according to Romans and Ivan the older 4-1 Akrapovic system makes the most low to mid range power. Well let me restate that, the most mid range for sure.

It's been flashed, I guess I'll have to repeat myself, again: I'm not looking for anything unreasonable considering the gearing and monster top-end this bike has. All I want it MAX low-end power.

unless you're running LSR events you will never miss the top end of a regear. If you're already flashed with a raised rev limit then that already took care of your top end.

I can rip from 0-60mph in less than 2 seconds launching at 3,000 RPM. I had no idea people actually plugged around just above idle like that though. My cruising RPM is never less than 5k. As stated above you will have to raise your final drive number, (which will make this bike a completely insane power wheelie monster at stock height and length) or simply ride the bike differently. Just shooting you straight bud.

I hear you guys loud and clear. Bike is phenomonal and I'm very happy. I'll make changes if they suite me.

Doesn't going to a 16tooth mess with the ecu?

* Last updated by: Auron on 10/27/2014 @ 5:07 PM *

SOME said that going to a 16 up front and a 43 rear would cause stumble.I did this once...on my 2012.It did NOT stumble...or get interference from the ECU(KTRC)(set at '1'[except when she started to loft]).IMO....the KTRC even set to "1" is something totally unnecessary.I still don't know why guys are riding around with it set like this???In a rain situation...or frost or something...yes....but good weather and clear roads?Nope....

If you do this mod...gearing that is...and set your KTRC to '1'...why regear anyway?May as well save yer bucks...ride with it off,and loft at will;)

"IMO....the KTRC even set to "1" is something totally unnecessary.I still don't know why guys are riding around with it set like this???In a rain situation...or frost or something...yes....but good weather and clear roads?Nope....

If you do this mod...gearing that is...and set your KTRC to '1'...why regear anyway?May as well save yer bucks...ride with it off,and loft at will;)"

Because I'm a coward, lol. I generally ride with it set to Full Powa and KTRC 1, mostly for corner exits and potential road debris. What performance deficit do we experience with the KTRC set to 1 other than launchig and wheelie-ing?

* Last updated by: zxhoya on 10/27/2014 @ 11:11 PM *

Ivan's flash does not maximize stp opening. He uses the the stp's for supposed smoothing. I have a copy of his flash. I could take pics and show you. But everyone would crap if I did that. Trust me. Straight up ask him. He will tell you he doesn't have them flashed open 100% till past 6000rpm. That's your missing low end. And as for that AKRA pipe making the most low end, I want to see a dyno sheet to prove that. I have thrown up tons of proof and have no problemo tossing up more. The strongest low to mid range RPM pipe is the Muzzy M10. Period. Observe....

I am not bashing anyone else's product. Just trying to clearly state facts. Run whatever flash makes you happy.

The alien head 2 and the CT Meg both make about a couple hp more up top, but give up a few in the low to mid range.

* Last updated by: Cblast on 10/27/2014 @ 11:57 PM *