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Thread: Launch Control

Created on: 04/21/15 08:39 PM

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RE: Launch Control
04/23/15 12:51 PM

interesting
thanks blackpearl
What type of lever is he using?
or
who's lever is he using
that will sense movement of the lever?



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RE: Launch Control
04/23/15 1:01 PM

The lever is supplied to woolich by cordona, I'm assuming it's identical to the 14R lever but idk... I hope it looks like the H&M but again I don not know... That's the main reason I'm keep my H&M lever as it will work just fine and I can adjust if need be..
The quick shifter upgrade would be great for anyone in the market for it and a flash or the whole package!

Here's a photo for a ktm shift lever .. Remember I don't know what the lever looks like this is just something I found!



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RE: Launch Control
04/23/15 1:58 PM

Really!? Am I reading this right? Woolich provides a way to not need aftermarket rearsets?



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RE: Launch Control
04/24/15 11:19 AM

Same company you mentioned, blackpearl...this one is for the Ducati. Real clean setup...I am going to have to educate myself on how it works if this is what comes with the race tools package. That way I can find a way to manipulate it to work with an air shifter....nobody answers my questions anymore so I'll find out if it's possible or not on my own.



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RE: Launch Control
04/24/15 11:47 AM

Nasty why would you want this to work with air shifter??
Air shifter is button pushing vs actual having to touch the shifter with the strain guages..

Or are you trying to get rid of the air tank? And still push the button which will tell the ecu to shift?



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RE: Launch Control
04/24/15 6:34 PM

He's trying to get rid of the piggy back timing kill that makes the instant shift possible.

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RE: Launch Control
04/24/15 8:13 PM


He's trying to get rid of the piggy back timing kill that makes the instant shift possible.

Gotcha!



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RE: Launch Control
04/25/15 4:12 PM

And for the adjustability to change kill time for each gear and for the ability to preload the shift lever...and other things



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RE: Launch Control
04/26/15 9:19 AM

CBlast, I can hear the timing being retarded at WOT in your video, but why not show a video of popping the clutch with WOT and let us see how the bike behaves?



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RE: Launch Control
04/27/15 10:35 AM

CBlast, I can hear the timing being retarded at WOT in your video, but why not show a video of popping the clutch with WOT and let us see how the bike behaves?


Coming soon ... Depending on the settings that are put in you can have it from mild to wild!
Mine is being done with a more linear scale so it can be controlled a lil better .. Hopefully once I get my skills back up, I'll have it made more aggressive...


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RE: Launch Control
04/30/15 9:39 AM

Thanks 06BlackPearl,
So it's going to be user configurable--very interesting. I was thinking it would be like the launch control on the Corvette ZR1--but then again you don't have to worry about the vette's front-end standing up on you. LOL!



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RE: Launch Control
05/01/15 6:06 AM

If you call having to send out your ecu to be flashed every time you want to make changes or adjustments to the launch control, user configurable, then yes it is very much so...having it shipped out for a "one size fits all" launch controller ain't for me...I'll stick to using the clutch and throttle as launch control for now...


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RE: Launch Control
05/01/15 8:35 AM

If you call having to send out your ecu to be flashed every time you want to make changes or adjustments to the launch control, user configurable, then yes it is very much so...having it shipped out for a "one size fits all" launch controller ain't for me...

No, not for me either. Yet there is now one more reason to buy the software. Great tools to fine tune your bike. Go for it.

I was talking with Justin about my current set up awhile back when this came out. What I was hoping to get was a 5 volt signal from ECU for Full Auto shift. For me this would mean the SB6 was no longer needed.

As my bike is now My launch control is set up through the SB6. All my settings are time based per gear, to full power. RPM programed in for full Auto shifting. LOVE it. Yet,,,

I am constantly playing with settings to keep the back tire blowing off. Different traction, hot or cold day etc. Being locked in to one setting for All riders, diff swing arm length makes no sense to me. But for the Novice rider stock bike I'm sure this would be a blast to have fun with.


Justin feelings the same, Response below.

Hi Rick

We have some default settings for each model available, but like with anything you will get the best results if things are fine tuned for each bike and rider's preferences. For example, we have found you should adjust the launch RPM based on rider weight, if the rider is heavier then you can set the Launch RPM a little higher. Also once you are chasing 10's in drag racing you would want to fine tune things based on track condition etc. e.g. if the track is sticky you can launch harder with a higher Launch RPM, so having the ability to adjust at the track is a good idea (not essential but a good idea). Also you would want to adjust the Launch Control Ramp based on how quick the bike/rider is.

We are also about to release a couple of additional data log parameters which will help guys to fine tune their drag runs, we currently have TPS, RPM, Gear, AFR available, we recently added Clutch and we are just about to release Rear Wheel Speed, you can log all this data on one of our Log Boxes, then after a run at the track you can open up the log in the Data Viewer and see exactly what happened in the run, you can really improve your times by analyzing the data.

This same data can be used to trim the fuel maps in the AutoTune screen based on your target AFR and the data logged from the prevailing conditions at the track, this ensures the bikes is tuned correctly based on the current conditions.

There should be a good amount of interest for these features as we have been asked about them quite a bit, should help guys to get their bikes off the line faster and improve times at the track :)

The ECU controlled quickshifter with fuel and ignition cut works really well.
Here is an example of the Data Viewer with a lot file from a 6psi boosted ZX14R. By looking at the clutch and vehicle speed you can see when he is launching, you can also see the wheel spin in 1st gear i.e. the RPM ramp up but the vehicle speed does not increase, you then see him wind back the TPS to compensate for the wheel spin etc etc.

This is obviously without Launch Control as the Launch Control would have controlled the RPM much better than what he is getting here, he would have been able to hold it open and the software would have ramped the RPM in a much more controlled manner :)


I would suggest you look at going the other way, use an output from your air shifter to signal a shift in the ECU, this will cut fuel and ignition and is fully programmable per gear based on TPS and RPM?
Cheers
-Justin.


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RE: Launch Control
05/01/15 6:34 PM

....sweeeeet....my curiosity knows no bounds...now all this additional data logging the are working on...ain't that the type of log boxes that are considered illegal in some drag classes and/or certain tracks? I like to do bracket racing that's why I ask.


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RE: Launch Control
05/01/15 6:38 PM

So justin is saying, with his kit, I could wire a ground signal from my air shift button to trigger the engine kill? Man, I can't wait to get my hands on a wooli! Glad I've been patiently waiting for them to come out with exactly what I want!



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RE: Launch Control
05/01/15 9:15 PM

Aftermarket Raptor shift light has an aux output that will work as well Nasty. Set the shift light on the fly and let it trigger your air shifter when armed.

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RE: Launch Control
05/03/15 11:05 PM

This is Woolich's Stock Shifter replacement.
There is a different variation for those with rear sets.


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RE: Launch Control
05/04/15 5:31 AM

Ill keep the H&M version ..
Glad I didn't go with that one ...



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RE: Launch Control
05/06/15 9:27 PM

Cblast ... what does the windscreen in your video in post 1 do for you, besides look kick-ass. Does form LEAD function on this one? Or does it work well? Where does win hit you at 80? Helmet bobbin' all over the place??

Wondering if I could take the good looks of the Puig Racing wind screen's shape, cut the top part off on an angle to look like your chopped screen ... AAAAAND cut the holes like an MRA screen??

I don't ask for much



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RE: Launch Control
05/06/15 10:24 PM

Extrapolator, I have a ZG Marc 1 (like Sebastian's) that I'd be willing to hook you up with for a song...



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RE: Launch Control
05/06/15 10:35 PM

TB ... I've generally preferred Puig to ZG ... but heck, shoot me the notes to your song



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RE: Launch Control
03/11/19 5:39 PM

Newbie here...hopefully some of you guys are still checking this thread...I want to buy a ZX-14, ride it on the street for a little while, and then turn it into a drag bike but still keep it street legal so I can ride on public roads about once every couple of months.

Which year ZX-14 should I buy to start the project?

2012-2015 or 2016-2018?

Or is there a year or more in there that has some advantage over the others?

Any and all info and opinions are appreciated.

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RE: Launch Control
03/11/19 6:42 PM

Bullfrog, I can't tell you the best because I have a 13 that I do a li bit of everything with but not familiar with any changes that may have happened to the later years other than paint.. Do you have MC classes at your strip or is it strictly ET Bracket racing, or did you mean just street racing?

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RE: Launch Control
03/11/19 7:12 PM

No motorcycle specific classes...just ET. NO street racing for this old frog :).

I believe there were some electronic updates between '15 and '16 but I am not sure exactly what they are or if they really matter...i.e. you can flash the latest and greatest regardless of year from '12-'18??????

I have never had any type of launch control, slider clutch, etc...just wanted to start with the best equipped bike for the street and strip as opposed to finding out later I should have gone one year earlier or later.

Anybody know if there are changes between '15 and '16 that would make one or the other more attractive? My personal biggest concern is the launch control but figured others might be interested in the entire package so I didn't specify.

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RE: Launch Control
03/11/19 7:47 PM

I believe at some point they added an O2 sensor, not sure how this helps or hurts the flash complexity. My '14 CA bitch does not have one. I got the flash from Nels at 2wheeldyno and it seems to work fine with the bike. The BBW has so much torque and power now for the few track days I do once and a while I can see the need for a PC and a custom tune also.



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