"The biggest difference is before at 5500 the lift off was a foot tall and growing"...hmmm..agree with Romes here...I thought you liked that?

The downfall before is the front never quit climbing. Ok so at times it was really fun but I always had to back out of it or really short short shift. I kinda like being able to see where the street is now and still pulls very well.

My ZRX1100 (1109) never wheelie but then the back tire will burn all the way thru 2nd and grab in 3d. Probably the 7 over arm has something to do with it

The downfall before is the front never quit climbing. Ok so at times it was really fun but I always had to back out of it or really short short shift. I kinda like being able to see where the street is now and still pulls very well.

Let see if I have got this right. You flashed your Bike,,,, Now, Your Bike No Longer has the ability to lift the front wheel under power,,,, And You Like it ?

Main thing is your happy. Less power equals easier to control for sure. I'm starting to understand. I thought you were trying to get back the power you once had with the piggies. My Bad

Lytnin it's your bike and your money so I am glad your happy. BUT am I understanding this correctly that your happy to have spent $425 to lose performance? You could have put it back to stock for free or do what the SWB drag racers do and drop 2or3 teeth off the rear sprocket for $50.

"The downfall before is the front never quit climbing"...how about the KTRC?That didn't help with this climbing?

"The downfall before is the front never quit climbing"...how about the KTRC?That didn't help with this climbing?

He has Gen 1, no KTRC

Oh...okay.I didn't remember those Gen 1's are poorly adapted to throttle inputs from the rider.

The downfall before is the front never quit climbing... I always had to back out of it or really short short shift.

I kinda like being able to see where the street is now

Signed,
NOLToThe "Preset"

At full [flash] power mode is ride a Limpcycle?

So no flash is any good?

Yes no flash isn't half bad on a good day

* Last updated by: cruderudy on 10/1/2015 @ 10:27 PM *

my head hurts....

lytnin: I used to wheelie on accel before flash; now I can see the road w/flash = Neg.
Grn: Check how the bike lofts with and without flash = Posi.
Smoke: Pretty much I won't see 8.3 if both end at the 310 mark = Neg.
Mav: Best times with flash = Posi.
Vic: I can't tell the difference = Neg.
Yannih: My 02 fell out of the loop = 'We take measures if the preset is upset.'

That's how I read a flash experience.

Seeing I got a mention from Hub, Ill give my final views on the subject.

I am not going to comment on a particular flasher, but flashing in general.

Importantly, I am not recommending to others what I write below as so many are extremely satisfied with their flash.
People will make their own decisions.
This is just what I personally would do now with the knowledge and experience I have gained.

There has been a lot of water under the bridge since I decided to flash my ECU after reading all the positive hype.
But knowing what I know now and in hind site I would definitely not have gotten my ECU flashed in the first place.

Why?

1. Any factory warranty is instantly dead. This is a point I think is not raised enough. Except for Romans who is a very honest and open guy, flashers don't seem to mention this too much. Yes, you can purchase a second stock ECU to install if you have an issue to be corrected under warranty but the whole flash scenario instantly then becomes a very expensive proposition.

2. Kawasaki spent thousand of hours designing extremely safe, efficient, and reliable ECU settings. Yes there are some undesirable safety modes and settings integrated, but you know 100% all is as it should be according to extremely experienced and knowledgeable designers.

3. There is an inherent risk that your ECU will be bricked. This is a simple fact. I do not know the percentage of damaged or destroyed ECU's to successful flash processes, but it is a risk no matter how small one must consider.

4. If for whatever reason you are unhappy with your flash, you cannot reverse the work done to go back to a 100% stock setting ECU. This to me is extremely undesirable.

5. You are exiting safe and proven factory fuel settings and become 100% reliant on the flashers settings. If the flasher happens to be relatively inexperienced, or has a bad day, or makes an error of sorts or misjudges a setting or two in the name of extra performance, you are at risk of running lean. Further, if your engine happens to be damaged and it is proven it was running too lean, the first question would be "Was the flash responsible?". And if it can be conclusively proven that it was the flash that caused the issue, where would you stand?
Probably pretty rare I grant but not impossible.

6. You open yourself up to possible issues as factory settings have been changed and the bike is no longer as designed by the manufacturer. I know this first hand as I went through a very painful process of my bike not being right and not knowing why after having a flash done by an American supplier only to find the issue was I had a European spec'd bike and there was a conflict (02 sensor issue as Hub mentioned). Importantly, the flasher was not knowledgeable enough to diagnose and correct this and I was asked to do all manner of things to resolve the issue that I now know were all unrelated and pointless. It was myself with the support of some very experienced guys on this site that resolved the mystery. A very frustrating experience.

7. The ZX-14 is already a phenomenally powerful motorcycle and most of us cant ride it to its full potential as it comes from the factory. If it was a 250cc engine setup, then every bit of extra obtainable grunt would be a god send. But the 14 definitely does not fall into this category.
I understand that some require every last potential of performance they can muster for applications such as drag racing.
Plus I understand that some may enjoy the new everyday feel of flashed performance.
But in my opinion at 1400cc's the bike is plenty fast and powerful enough stock for most, and the gains from a flash are not substantial enough to risk non factory settings issues.

8. Lastly and possibly most controversially, performance and power increase.
We have all heard some flashers promise the world, and some advise fairly modest gains. We have seen in some cases substantial dyno figure increases and in others modest improvements.
Some flash recipients say the power gains are brilliant, some say they are pretty positive, and some are not that impressed.
But there doesn't seem to be any concrete definitive figures to go by.
It all seems fairly inconclusive.
Me? And remember this is just my opinion and I'm not pushing it on anyone else.
I was looking for a smoother throttle response and a substantial jump in power to the ground as I had read over and over in this forum, and of which my flash provider assured would be the case.

Honestly, I never felt improvement with either to any great extent.

Perhaps I was expecting way too much after all the amazing positives I had read.
Perhaps I was not riding the bike correctly to take advantage of the changes.
Perhaps the flash/O2 sensor issue I had gone through had resulted in a negative mind set.
Is it a possibility that my flashed bike was actually faster and smoother but I wasn't noticing the difference for whatever reason?
I guess its possible.
But never the less, this is what I experienced and it was a disappointment.

So to me, comparing the above potential negatives against the benefits that are relative to an already extremely fast and powerful motorcycle, the answer was fairly straight forward.

Again, I know there are many many happy, satisfied and content flash customers out there.
To them, I'm happy it all worked out and "keep on flashing".

But now that I know what I know from my investigation and more importantly my own experience, the flash game is not for me and I will never do this to another motorbike I own...

* Last updated by: yannih on 10/2/2015 @ 11:12 PM *

Yannih..Thanks for that post....I bought my 2013 to get into the nines " on my street bike" at teh strip..I am a not-so-good, play at it racer who goes to teh track maybe ten times a year.. The rest of the time you may find me 500 to 1000 miles from home with a small overnite bag on the back and not wanting to worry about getting back..And here on the west coast, I have found that all of teh power of teh 14 in its stock form can be tapped into. Whether or not one does that depends on a lot of things..So far I have not reached the top end but have many many adventures in the 145 range . I dynoed the 14 simply out of curiosity and was happy to see the results. The paper showed the smoothness of the machine to match exactly what I feel riding it....I could see no where that I would need or want to make power changes.. Maybe in a year or two :)

Be careful yannih. CBlast will start giving your name out to goon's wolfman and nastynotch. Then they'll start posting stupid shit like it's supposed to scare you. Yep, like a couple high schoolers.

This just proves what kind of person CBlast really is. His passion is about $$$, not bikes. He'll tell you whatever it is you want to hear to get your $400. Make it sound like it's rocket science, which it's not (as Roman's said). Then there's a good chance of a Cbrick or FUBAR it as in Yannih's case due to money grubbing ignorance.

"CBlast will start giving your name out to goon's wolfman and nastynotch"...huh?

You mean...although EVERYONE here can read these posts...Cblast is gonna mention their names for...what exactly?

Trippin dude...seriously.

You call some here juvenile or whatever...look at yourself.A mature grown up would identify the problem...and address it.Case closed.Resolved.Not you.You snipe at others here...in this case C blast...instead of resolving your issue like a grown up.

ANYONE that got a product that didn't turn out as advertised...in this case a 400 dollars or so 'flash'...would be taking genuine steps to get it corrected.Not you though.Still pissed...still blaming.Unwilling to take responsibility for YOUR issue.It IS your issue...not anyone else's.Not C's responsibility to call you up and say.."Oh gee,wow...sorry...here,I'll fix this for ya"(he didn't do anything wrong).You claim no difference in flash?Okay...so is that C's fault?He flashed it.You noted the changes it had when returned to you.You didn't like it...okay...now it's on you...not C.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 10/2/2015 @ 5:53 PM *

"CBlast will start giving your name out to goon's wolfman and nastynotch"...huh?

You mean...although EVERYONE here can read these posts...Cblast is gonna mention their names for...what exactly?

Trippin dude...seriously.

You call some here juvenile or whatever...look at yourself.A mature grown up would identify the problem...and address it.Case closed.Resolved.Not you.You snipe at others here...in this case C blast...instead of resolving your issue like a grown up.

ANYONE that got a product that didn't turn out as advertised...in this case a 400 dollars or so 'flash'...would be taking genuine steps to get it corrected.Not you though.Still pissed...still blaming.Unwilling to take responsibility for YOUR issue.It IS your issue...not anyone else's.Not C's responsibility to call you up and say.."Oh gee,wow...sorry...here,I'll fix this for ya"(he didn't do anything wrong).You claim no difference in flash?Okay...so is that C's fault?He flashed it.You noted the changes it had when returned to you.You didn't like it...okay...now it's on you...not C.

Grn as I've said you're a nice old man. Blind as a bat and dumb as a sloppy fuck. But you're nice. Cblast gave my name to them. They're posting my name (first and last name...except first name is Shawn, not Shaun) on the forum... again like it's supposed to scare me. The only person they could've got it from was CBlast.

I don't want to know their dumbass names, moron suffices.

Ok Grn, I'm going to try to tell you this like an adult. Someone get's a flash. They try it, they test it, they see no difference. I call up and say, hey, not seeing anything here... what can you do for me? Well, what did he get done for Yannih?

Guys, I think its important to clear something up here.

It has never been my aim to discredit anyone.

I have never provided the name of the flash provider I dealt with publicly on this forum and nor do I intend to.
And the 3 people I told on PM while trying to resolve my issue at the time were asked to keep it in confidence.

Rightly or wrongly, assumptions have been made.

Why did I not provide this name publicly?
Because although my experience was poor, a full refund was received after discussions.

My above points are general flash opinions no matter if Cblast, Ivan, Brock/Guhl, Romans or anyone else would be offering the service.

I am not criticizing what these suppliers do or provide as there are a couple of guys in that list that I really respect and also the fact is many people are extremely satisfied with the results of what they offer.

I am simply saying it is not for me and the reasons why...

* Last updated by: yannih on 10/2/2015 @ 8:41 PM *

Now see here, Sean!

That's all I got.

Now see here, Sean!

Guys, I think its important to clear something up here.

It has never been my aim to discredit anyone.

I have never provided the name of the flash provider I dealt with publicly on this forum.
And the 3 people I told on PM while trying to resolve my issue at the time were asked to keep it in confidence.
Rightly or wrongly, assumptions have been made.

Why did I not provide this name publicly?
Because although my experience was poor, a full refund was received after discussions.

My above points are general flash opinions no matter if Cblast, Ivan, Brock/Guhl, Romans or anyone else would be offering the service.

I am not criticizing what they do or provide as there are a couple of guys in that list that I really respect and also the fact is many people are extremely satisfied with the results of what they offer.

I am simply saying it is not for me and the reasons why...

No offense Yannih, but since you won't say it wasn't CBlast we all know it was CBlast. As far as my experience, I can add 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1. I guess it's part of my training, to see patterns in things.

Yannih it takes a man to have the balls to make a stand. Hiding behind all this...wishy washy thing is why you get no respect and you have to keep repeating yourself. Kind of like a yippy dog (Wolfman) that just keeps yipping to the point no one even listens.

Now see here, Sean!

That's all I got.

Trust me, they got it. My full name is in Dogboy's post. He/they probably have my address too. Hag don't worry about it. If I really cared about people knowing my name, or whatever, I would've never done any business with anyone here on the site. It's not that. It's how they got my name. And I don't really give a fuck about it, it's more that CBlast gave it to them. That's extremely bad business.

This is nothing but an intimidation tactic employed by some assholes running what might be tantamount to a con game.

Well,well--hold on...I respect yannih immensely and I think he's done a great service to the sportbike community by posting detailed info bout his experience....just like Vic has. I'm glad you both have stated your opinions which may not exactly be scientific law but definitely highly qualified opinions based on facts and research. ...instead of just opinions based on impressions. I'd do a flash but I never could get my head around how fueling for some other bike could be perfect for every bike--same mods or not. Every engine is different and will benefit most from custom tuned fueling and possibly it's custom tuned timing. The rest, I say go ahead and flash if you feel little lucky.

Well 1st of all the flash was 300 not 400 and up as others talked about. When I talked to Cblast he asked what exactly I was looking for and what I expected. He could add the timing advance, get the flies to open quicker, load a wild as guess fuel map and see what happens. Don't know what else he did but he did offer to return to stock or make changes if I was not happy. I told him I wanted more bottom end and if I sacrificed some top for more bottom that was fine. It fires right up and sounds good. It has quicker acceleration from lower rpm than it had with the piggies. It may not want to lift like it did but it almost feels like an old qjet when it opens and act like manual secondary's opening that quick. Totally different feel is all I can say. For all I know it could be so lean it is scary and would not know uless it had a sniffer put to it.
So far that is my experience but it also is not my daily rider which would be my beemer. I don't know what Cblast is sposed to have done but it does not apply to me so I cannot mean mug him. I would love to try a Romans flash along with Ivan's and Guhl and Brock but as others I have a fun budget that does not cover them all.

If I am a slow old fat fart yet able to deal with the way my scoot runs then so be it

From Rook: I'd do a flash but I never could get my head around how fueling for some other bike could be perfect for every bike--same mods or not. Every engine is different and will benefit most from custom tuned fueling and possibly it's custom tuned timing. The rest, I say go ahead and flash if you feel little lucky.

That was the reason Ivan would flash a puter but could not make an almost perfect map for your bike that was away from his area. He wanted a dyno made map for your bike. He might get close which is what most hope for. Two same year bikes with the same mods on the same day dyno runs will have some different numbers in their maps.Carbs are the same way. Some run great with the needle clip in the middle and some want it raised. Same bikes with same kit in carbs.

"since you won't say it wasn't CBlast we all know it was CBlast"...I don't know that.You must have a mouse in yer pocket?

"Rightly or wrongly, assumptions have been made.

Why did I not provide this name publicly?
Because although my experience was poor, a full refund was received after discussions.

My above points are general flash opinions no matter if Cblast, Ivan, Brock/Guhl, Romans or anyone else would be offering the service"...uh...I think he DID mention Cblast...along with some others.WTF Vic?For a guy who claims to be so darn technical and attuned to English language...you sure drop the ball with this stuff...just sayin.

"Yannih it takes a man to have the balls to make a stand. Hiding behind all this...wishy washy thing is why you get no respect"...boy...you just aim the scattergun and see who she hits don't ya?

You've got a prob Vic...most definitely.You think these childish commentaries of your peers is somehow....lofty and bright?Fuckin dumb shit comments if ya ask me...which ya didn't.

He's got my respect.

Why not just be real and say how you REALLY feel....YOU have no respect for Yanman.YOU.Talk about having balls or not...geez.

It's these jagged comments to regular guys here that just lend credence to the idea...YOU'RE a full on TROLL.Only a troll makes flammatory comments like these.To genuine people around em on a forum.You wouldn't say this stuff about others here if you weren't phishing for a response.TROLL.

"My full name is in Dogboy's post"...sheesh...first it's Wolfy...now it's YOU.You gonna mention your name...why blame them?VIC...get back on your meds...will ya;)NOBODY CARES what your name is...WTF?We have lives,some of us.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 10/2/2015 @ 8:44 PM *