Hahahahahaha! Perfect! That's what I like to see! Make the little bikes realize ya got 1441cc's hangin!

Flawless Big Daddy!

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can new ECU be bought? How much are they?

Also can you flash an ECU for Australian models?

2013 zx14r with stock exhaust. Going to put Scorpion slip ons on bike.

Would be easier if I could buy another ECU and send that instead of having to have bike off road, that is if you can flash Australian models.

Cheers

Yes they can be purchased, not sure what they are currently runnin on eBay. But yes, can flash an Australian model, just make sure that the ecu that you purchase has the same part # as the one in your bike!

* Last updated by: Cblast on 7/18/2014 @ 8:43 PM *

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Can a cblast kit stop the popping sound in a full brock exhaust

Can a cblast kit stop the popping sound in a full brock exhaust

It will not completely eliminate it, but it will greatly reduce it.

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Slow,
Lets discuss this 3 ways and see if the pop is gone using some basic science.

1. There is this for every action a reaction occurs. When you WOT and then shut the throttle off, what pressure wants to get back in? The Penultimate number. The term 'back pressure' comes to mind and what wants to get back in is 14.7 psi.

2. There is this cold meets warm and you have thunder as this mixes in certain conditions. If we take that basic move of weather, we can apply it to the hot exhaust, the back in she goes pressure and that pressure was sure colder than that flame being made in the pipe.

3. There is this certain ear it takes to understand science, a little cold, hot, action, reaction and now we want to squash this pop. So we wash it down, add more carbon to the mix, and that flame overrides a rather rich mixture so the cold is sort of neutralized, or it's lean on lift, so you wash it out with rich.

If we breakdown the pop, we are now wasting gas just to do what? Soot up more chamber for a pop. Keep stopping sooner for gas. It still bangs off car alarms, but you stopped some of the pop but not all of the pop. Now, there are a few options for this.

A. PC and flood the engine sorta speak in the extreme of looking at it.
B. Install the stock exhaust and call it a day.
C. Go to double you double you dot takes a man can dot man up the ear.

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You are totally wrong on how we reduce pop on decel hub. We don't 'wash anything out with fuel'. Nor do we waste gas to do so. You have never ridden a cblast flash hub. Makes it hard for you to accurately answer questions about it. If you have a solid clean AFR, well, that's a good place to start. As exampled...

Get the accel AFR sorted first, then it becomes easier to focus on the finer points such as decel pop, always triple checking AFR and efficiency as the tune is built. We have members like Maverick and Nasty and TrailBoss that are ACTUALLY riding the Brock's exhaust in question along with the flash, and I think we have done an excellent job of cleaning up decel pop.

* Last updated by: Cblast on 8/2/2014 @ 8:47 AM *

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so what you guys are saying is that it is normal for a full exhaust system to make that popping sound....HUB forgot to mention going with slip-ons which don't

Cblast,

No offense, but I rather you question the science and see if it is wrong or makes sense. And that means, yes you set it richer with the AFR setting to 13 or that powcomdr line is matching up too. We sort of met in the middle line using both setups in a way? Would that be a yes if we think of it, tune for tune, pop for pop?

No offense, but I did not, did not mention any flash in my last post. What I posted was a run at the pc for a pop. Slow was addressing the question to the flashers like yourself. What I did was, approach the 'tuning out the pop' another way. This was not also for Slow to think about, but using the pc as an example instead. A tuning option. Say someone might wonder about a pc? Could a pc take care of that weather channel and I sort of objectively offered one more tune to the pop.

Basically, I addressed a pc alone as if a flash alone. Lots of options to tuning in general. If I got it wrong explaining what those pc videos explained, I explained how Chris said to richen a pop with pc. That means that Chris has it wrong. I'm just the messenger.

So did we both meet on the same page for this AFR, meaning a richer setting? I think we can tune either a pc or a flash with the same numbers? You mentioned, 'get the accel straightened out' and does a pc have an accel mode? Yes. Are we matched as in, I have it wrong AFR line for AFR line?

Again, not here to argue, jump in the weeds, etc. I'm in my own world with the Penultimate so it all makes sense to me. See if it does for you too?

Signed,

NOLTT (no one likes a truth table: better that me)

Sing it wit me... Ohoooooooooooooooo, you take the high road and I'll take the low road and my decimal will meet your octal we cross the truth tables in the morning, a binary brunch = SAME-SAME we are full circle is the numbered AFRah-Rah-Rah, Sis boom ba... I forgot the words.

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@ C:

We don't 'wash anything out with fuel'. Nor do we waste gas to do so.

I'll disagree if we watch a step for step move to the cells. 14 is the OE give or take the 10th side. I see by your AFR line it is a flat 13 and change. 13 is richer than 14. I say 'it's a wash we match pound for pound' we come back to the gas pump. The question is who has less gas we took the same route?

You have never ridden a cblast flash hub. Makes it hard for you to accurately answer questions about it.

So true. My Wooly is up and running. Your numbers are safe with me if only I saw a screen shot of the map, I could fill in the octal numbers. Then throw pc maps at it. Or, If 14 is the OE, I can run each map number up one, burn it, check my AFR, run the next number up, cell for cell, burn it, off again on an AFRun. How close am I and that's not including the 'filter' testing, nor take the pipe dimensions and play with that dead end or ends up better. Make sense?

@ Slow:

so what you guys are saying is that it is normal for a full exhaust system to make that popping sound....HUB forgot to mention going with slip-ons which don't

Probably, but my audio picked up a pop I could not hear thru the helmet. That was when I gutted the stock pipe on one side. It was popping all over. And when the PAIR was out of the loop, the pop was still there. So as C mentioned, some, not all will be eliminated. So yeah, probably you packing more muffler packed in both, than the single, lighter weight, less packed 4-in-1. Possibly may not hear it helmet wise. Not sure that pipe is going to change the weather setting so assume a pop still means: it pops in a chemical kind of reaction.

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It's very close hub, EXCEPT, for the mathematical, scientific, FACT:
A powercommander works how?:
Lies to ecu.
Tells ecu running proportionately lean to elicit a richen-ing response.

NONE OF THIS HAPPENS INSTANTLY. It takes time.
REACTION.

A flash, which is the title and subject of not only this thread but of the gentleman's question no? :

A Cblast flash does not require a lie to correct AFR. We built an AFR with multiple exhaust setups, including the one in question, then we apply tuning and science and ride feel from the track to touring. The AFR is correct in a DIFFERENT and scientifically FASTER way than with a spliced in PC. The ecu doesn't have to respond or react to correct anything, it is SEEKING the correct # and can then use its 'correct' parameters to keep it there. As designed into the functionality of the ecu itself. We didn't get to the same place. We didn't even look at the question in the same way. End of that story.

This AFR IS FLAWLESS. If your wooly is up and running, go do it yourself. With or without your pig. I challenge you.

Absolutely no offense taken nor intended.

* Last updated by: Cblast on 8/2/2014 @ 11:44 AM *

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so what you guys are saying is that it is normal for a full exhaust system to make that popping sound....HUB forgot to mention going with slip-ons which don't

To answer your question directly, YES, it's normal. Priscilla pops a little. Not too bad, I like her character!

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The question was asked to c,so there was no need to chime in Hub this isn't a random thread, it's a q/a platform for the C Blast flash.

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@C,

It's very close hub, EXCEPT, for the mathematical, scientific, FACT:
A powercommander works how?:

It's so on the money, let me ask you this. A thread is a thread, is a little kink off topic, but I sort of stay on topic. We talked about a pop. Can this or that change a pop? We both came to the same conclusion, no. You flashed it, I weathered the storm. So pop was on topic say was the Q. As far as the math, check this out. The math converts to machine speak is that being the binary. So mathematically, a decimal/octal/ascii/means, they can be converted to bi. How close do you want a number? There are more, buTThis is enough for demonstration purposes. Let me show you where I found the goods... Before C: This was Ivan and I'm looking deep into the crevasse of what he was up to?

It's like saying, I have a different car but I mathematically pan out to 4-strokes is the engine or we do not move from point A to point B. I use octal to see my software, but the machine speak always ends in machine speak and that is the Penultimate-2 or binary. I am a processor. All I do is convert an electrical pulse that has an absolute number. It can be measured and that is THE binary number. It's so simple starting out, then over my head it goes. A 'thinkg of beauty.'

Lies to ecu.
Tells ecu running proportionately lean to elicit a richen-ing response.

By dyno work, you are cutting and pasting a set of decimal(dyno) numbers, because the Wooly does not have a dyno layout like powcomd has. So Wooly is seen as octal numbers. The flash was octal to binary so the machine numbers is how it converts back to the output as an analog. And that turns into the AFR numbers as in time being open for so many milli's. There is no lying, there is a step to step to stepping how you don't see the Ohm's wheel bleeding right in front of you. That being said, that is watt is far from the truth is no offense.

Analog is the sensor's input.
ECU converts that octal to a binary.
Analog is now sent back out is that conversion, meaning, either on off at the spark or holding the injector open.
ECU (pc) has no clue what it's going to command to do, but converts to a binary number. It's a simple miniprocessor. A clock is a processor. And when you see that digital number it has a binary number so it knows what time it is time has a number.
Analog is it's now back to the fuel injector and converted a binary to make a milliamp of electricity to pull a pintle up and open for so many milliseconds. Watts the difference? Not one process.

NONE OF THIS HAPPENS INSTANTLY. It takes time.
REACTION.

Time is the speed of light. You could spin the engine at the speed of light no shit. But a few thousand rpm? LOL The processing was already there [before you blinked]: once man first made a machine speak in binary.

A flash, which is the title and subject of not only this thread but of the gentleman's question no? :

No offense, but this is a binary question. You can't separate a flash from a pc when both are doing the same thing is change that binary number.

A Cblast flash does not require a lie to correct AFR.

It can't lie or the truth tables would foul a plug. What is not a lie is more how one captures an analog signal out of the wire, period.

We built an AFR with multiple exhaust setups, including the one in question, then we apply tuning and science and ride feel from the track to touring.

Here is the lie. No offense, just think of it like this. No pipe flows the same it's just how it is. No bike runs the same it came off the same assembly line. Do you agree? With that said, yours or a pc's or whoever has a close enough map, but IS not THE MAP for snowflake.

Say for example, you ran crap out of the bike on the dyno. Was there ever a leak down to see where the bike is at? Let's for argument sake say, no. So, someone is going to send me a low compression 197psi map off a dyno, I have a 220psi engine. There lies the variable and a chemical reaction against the kinetic.

The AFR is correct in a DIFFERENT and scientifically FASTER way than with a spliced in PC.

No offense, but this is where I say, with all the daisy chaining you can do with the pc product, you state the AFR can't keep up with what the ECU puts out in the speed of light? Then what you say is 'FASTER,' the pc lags you add a daisy chain?

1. Does electricity change from the ohm's scale if 1 ohm is 1 amp is 1 watt is 1 fill in the blank? That says balanced and no change in the speed of it. So no, no faster or slower, show me that shift sensor slowing down on your foot it can't keep up in the daisy chain of the speed of light. Principal #1. Calc's in the speed of light if not, lets remove 10,000 miles off that light and will your foot pass it up? I didn't think so.

2. Does the daisy chain make sense to you when the process is analog-digital-analog-digital-analog? That's: Sensor-ECU-PC-Sensor it's so daisy chained yes or no?

3. 'The AFR is correct.' Thank you, binary system speak.

The ecu doesn't have to respond or react to correct anything

Sure it does. It's a balanced system or codes fly. Junk in is junk out. It has no clue watt number is coming in next. All it does is process a binary number. That is the correction is from a square wave [the time of the crank sweep say] is that time it took and that has a specific wave length that goes on and off. That's what the processor sees is a time delay. The rest is the processing of that volt made over that magnet. At that speed it knows every wave coming in. It has to. It has to process or the bike won't start. Analog out is to do something to a spark is on/off or the injector's time off-length on in milliamps-off. Pure genius is math in the most absolute way it happens.

it is SEEKING the correct # and can then use its 'correct' parameters to keep it there. As designed into the functionality of the ecu itself.

Correct. There is so much coil winding and that is a preset resistance. Once that is out of range it is no longer correct and the parameter is taken over by the Penultimate 760mmHg. This is stuck as in it has to be designed to match nature's 14.7's pressure is its preset environment. This is as designed into the function of an FI system as an example of using a weather station on wheels. I so agree.

We didn't get to the same place. We didn't even look at the question in the same way. End of that story.

There is no other story. Binary/Processing/Speed of light/Presetting the AFR, no offense, but I'm on the same paper parchment and that's the truth (table) so help me.

This AFR IS FLAWLESS. If your wooly is up and running, go do it yourself. With or without your pig. I challenge you.

I love a challenge. I expect cooler months ahead so I have plenty of time to burn map after map and save them. Don't go anywhere. No offense once again, C, but you bring out the best in my thinking. I'm sure the flash is what others say it is, but my angle is compression tuning. ARe we on that same matching ratio? Principal #2 = Big air cleanser meet and greet my compression. The mantra is 'the best can be beaten.'

This thread bleeds computer bike. Flash, pc, hack, hack the air, hack a wire, hack a cell, get a lane!

And you love every minute of it.

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The question was asked to c,so there was no need to chime in Hub this isn't a random thread, it's a q/a platform for the C Blast flash.

Very first sentence of this thread. "This thread is being posted as a result of the increased interest and demand for info." I figured a pop demanded a more simple answer and complex it for others. This is diagnostics plain and simple.

WOT's a pop? A pop is a computer bike spitting out a binary number, why do you ask?

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And you love every minute of it.

Yes, yes I do! And your thinking challenges and elevates mine too Hub! This machine and the paths that it's shown are absolutely wot I love! The challenge was given and recieved in the right spirit!

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oh, by the way....I have the 2008 zx-14 with the brocks alien head full exhaust

I've got a dumb new guy question: I purchased a 2008 model Saturday, do I have a Gen1 or Gen2 ?
I bought the bike from a dealership, is there any way to know if the previous owner had it flashed ?
Thanks

HanksZX

You have a Gen1. The ZX14 were Gen 1. ZX14R is Gen 2. The 2 came out in 2012.

Easiest way to see if yours if flashed is to head out to the highway and open it up. If it goes past 186 MPH or 300 KLM/ hr then it is flashed.

If the bike hits the restrictor it isn't flashed

Haha! Sounds easy enough!

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Thanks poison. Only 160 so far, haven't had the opportunity to max her out.
The power is amazing.

Ok, so I've had the flash for a little while with the OEM exhaust, and was very happy.

Saturday, I installed an Alienhead 2 and wow. The bike runs perfectly. With the PAIR plug, there is almost no deceleration pop, just a slight burble now and again.

I love the sound of the exhaust, it sounds like it means business (and it does!)

Man! So glad you like her JT! :) rip on her a bit!

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i'll be seeing you soon cblast

* Last updated by: SlowmoZX14 on 8/13/2014 @ 4:44 PM *

Well buddy, you will have to change your screenname to FastMoZX14!

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