Prayers for all the peoples families in Paris,

One of the scumbag terrorists was identified as a Syrian refugee, they just let 10,000 of
them into Los Angeles and many more cities in the USA, and ISIS has claimed responsibiblty ...

Stay vigilante, its just a matter of time before we see this in our cities ...

Before this happened yesterday Trump was at a Rally and said "He would bomb the shit out of them ..." He was speaking in terms of the oil production facilities ISIS have taken over and generate revenue from. He has my vote!

They will get here no matter who we let in or keep out. They are here already. Many of them may well have been born here and are US citizens. There are also citizens of Western countries who have no ties to terrorist organizations and who choose to join the enemy (for some f-ed up reason??). It only takes a few terrorists to launch an attack that causes huge destruction and casualties. There is no keeping them out. This is for ever. I for one would not mind to see a bunch of isis pricks captured imprisoned, castrated, have all limbs removed and then lobotomized so that they are unable to think. Then airlift them and drop on parachutes into isis territory. Let their terrorist brethren see the horror of terrorism and deal with caring for the victims (which I have no doubt they would not do). Make video of the whole operation and disseminate on the internet for all to see. That would be fighting fire with fire. This is what I'd like to see but of course, nothing like that will ever happen. We'll just keep seeing people burned alive and having their heads sawed off by these --------I don't even know what to call them because there I no word powerful enough.

Oh, didn't Obama assure us isis terrorists were contained to the Midde East? sure he did.

Trump was at a Rally and said "He would bomb the shit out of them ..." He was speaking in terms of the oil production facilities ISIS have taken over and generate revenue from. He has my vote!

Me too.

This is war. I accept there will be collateral damage and I know the terrorists will position themselves to maximize it. ...unfortunately, this is not a war of soldier against soldier.

This is still going to go on for ever. Our grandchildren will be dealing with this. It's now a part of life.

On a related note, it was mighty satisfying to see a pic of the guy who lead the videoed burning of men in cages laying dead with a bullet in his face. I still couldn't help but lament what a quick and clean death this was for such a horrendous and depraved murderer. At least he is gone and I hope there is hell so he can burn in it for all eternity.

"I for one would not mind to see a bunch of isis pricks captured imprisoned, castrated, have all limbs removed and then lobotomized so that they are unable to think. Then airlift them and drop on parachutes into isis territory"...well...they'd rejoice he's been martyred.Grief or sadness wouldn't be allowed.

What I found stupid was that the IS said.."this is what you get for the bombings in Syria".Guess they overlooked their own raping,killing and stealing they're doing to their own people(Muslims). That apparently is done with the blessing of Allah and his Prophet.Talk about hypocrisy.Geez.

BTW...they lie.Does anyone REALLY know these guys were ISIS?They claimed the Russian plane downing as well with a missile.Guess they didn't do enough homework on that one.The ISIS guys over there don't HAVE the missiles capable of hitting a target that high.Not even close.No one over there does.

The internet is FULL of videos that depict certain 'groups' of fighters over there...some Russian videos...some FSA videos.Some ISIS videos.Nusra front.A bunch of em...with their own logos and all.ANYONE can take a video and attach 'logos' to it...and say anything they want.3/4's of em aren't REALLY who they're depicting.As far as I know...the Authentic Syrian Army has helmets and such.ISIS has those black headbands.The FSA 'rebels' don't wear helmets or black/ white headbands with a script on em.

You see a video of warplanes(Russian)dropping massive bombs on a town...and see only civilians escaping and digging out their relatives and all(luckily)and the captions are "Russia bombs ISIS targets in such and such"...they're bombing FSA cities...or regular civilians that aren't fully all in with Assad(which he knows which populations those are at)..those videos aren't what they claim to be about.They're NOT bombing ISIS.Not primarily like they claim.Hell...Russia doesn't give a shit who they kill...long as they continue to sell mass quantities of weapons and munitions...(to the Assad regime).

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/14/2015 @ 9:04 PM *

I was watching a documentary today concerning Syria and all.It showed Damascus having these concerts and such all over that city...a resort.Assad's Palace and all.AND...the mortar attacks that occur regularly there.Those guys doing that are ISIS...embedded in Damascus suburbs.They know they can't overtake Assad...but they're hoping Assad will take military action and strike back...naturally killing LOTS of civilians.Which he's doing right now...albiet limited.Those mortar guys are NOT trying to capture Damascus or destroy it at all.It's an ISIS ploy to smear Assad...whom they hate.Along with using Assad to murder 'those apostates'(which ISIS feels the rest of the population there is).So pretty much...they win...at least in their minds.They don't care WHO kills em...just so long as they get killed.Saves on ISIS fighters anyway.If they can manipulate Assad into barrel bombing cities around in Syria...all the better.Their own deaths are viewed as Blessed in Allah's eyes.Win/Win.These guy's views about 'truth' are based on passed down 'beliefs' from the Takfiri Sect.Kicked out of Saudi Arabia WAY back when for such views.This aint new.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/14/2015 @ 9:32 PM *

They're really hoping the US will get pulled in.Then it'll appear the WEST is creating this whole deal...and they'll be able to suck in WAY more recruits for the ISIS 'campaign'.You have to remember...these IS guys are NOT real Islamists.They're from a Saudi Arabian sect known as Takfiris.Hated(and openly condemned by the Clerics) by MOST of the Muslim world for their radical views concerning Jihad and such.Beginning before the Ottoman Empire.Originating from...SAUDI ARABIA.These are ANCIENT feuds.Between the House of Saud,and the Takfiris.

The majority of the TRUE Muslims condemn this stuff.They've been living alongside Christians and Jews and all faiths for centuries in peace.You don't hear much about this cause the world needs someone to blame.The REAL Muslims are getting a bad rap.Just what ISIS wants.Pretty messed up...no doubt.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/14/2015 @ 9:35 PM *

They're really hoping the US will get pulled in.Then it'll appear the WEST is creating this whole deal.

Even better if the Brits and the Frogs join us ... This is always the game, in hopes it starts WW3 and all of the radical islamists join in from all over the world and after the big bang supplied by their handlers in Tehran, Mohammad will appear to save the world.

One side of my brain says stay the fuck out but the other says turn the whole area into a parking lot, if you dig my rap

Pray for family's and victims in France , sadest thing is our grandchildren will be fighting this crap and maybe there chrildren.

Evil

While it is quite normal to feel the emotions of anger and sadness over this tragic event, our very civilization calls upon us to respond with intelligence, and not simply react out of spite.

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. "
- Martin Luther King, Jr.

King Abdullah said this just a while ago(this morning)...." confronting extremism is "both a regional and international responsibility, but it is mainly our battle, us Muslims, against those who seek to hijack our societies and generations with intolerance takfiri ideology."

The article said..."Takfiri" refers to the radical Islamic practice of declaring one's enemies to be infidels worthy of death.

The speech did not specifically refer to the attacks in Paris that killed 129 people, but Abdullah has previously condemned them as a "cowardly terrorist act."

Before this happened yesterday Trump was at a Rally and said "He would bomb the shit out of them ..." He was speaking in terms of the oil production facilities ISIS have taken over and generate revenue from. He has my vote!

Timing. On that same day (of Trump's rally, November 12) apparently, the NY Times reported the U.S. had, in fact, already stepped up bombing those oil fields: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/13/us/politics/us-steps-up-its-attacks-on-isis-controlled-oil-fields-in-syria.html?_r=0

Who's on first?

* Last updated by: BigBloke on 11/15/2015 @ 12:13 PM *

The problem with islam, is that that Koran, the hadiths, the sura's and their "prophet"
tell them to do this,to "kill those that will not submit to islam" they are taught this in their mosques in the arab countries, and although of course not all muslims are terrorists, you need to realize that a HIGH percentage of the support this, if it is just in mindset.

My grandfather was from Syria, he was a christian, and even back then, he was fleeing islam, he came over here
Legally, and put his life on the line for this country in WW1

The 'religion" is extremely oppressive in the arab contries, even the ones that are not terrorists, treat women
like trash, oppress them, openly stone gay people, etc .. etc ...

Moderation.
Understanding.
Consideration.
Diplomacy.
Dialog.
Consultation.
Restraint.

Yep. These have been super effective against this menace so far.
Lets fight this with love. Brilliant. That should do it.

They kill innocents every single day. They burn people in cages. They slit peoples throats. They film these acts and send to the families.
We are up against people who will even kill their own if they dare compromise the belief.

So...
Lets think about the answer.
Lets not get too hasty.
Lets not lower to their level.
Lets find a measured response that considers all side line participants because after all, it is a religion and we have to respect religion right?

Here's some factual news for you all.
This will continue.
Sorry, got that wrong.
It will grow and get much worse.

Ladies and gentleman, while our heads remain in the sand we have no hope.

P.S.
No matter what you do or don't believe, imagine how much peace there would be in this world if there were no religion...

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"No matter what you do or don't believe, imagine how much peace there would be in this world if there were no religion..."...maybe.Where does intolerance come from?Religion?And just what IS religion?

Quote.."God is a SPIRIT.They that worship Him MUST worship in Spirit and Truth".

What IS truth?Seek the Spirit with humility and sincerity...you'll find the truth."Many are called but few are chosen"."God" is not protestant,catholic,Jew.God is a SPIRIT.All encompassing...available for all.When Man's living problems hijack the Pureness of the Spirit...man doesn't change.He tries to mold God into his own image,instead of the other way around.God allows this because he honors each person's right to believe what they choose.Good or bad.

Reading a recital of "God's Word"..whatever that's presented as..is NOT seeking God's Spirit.That's placating man's guilt.It will never work this way.

As long as man thinks he's the center of the universe,the world will continue to suffer."My ways are NOT your ways"...so says the scripture.

The results of man using his great intellect are brutally clear.Man doesn't know HOW to live without God.He thinks he does...but the proof is EVERYWHERE.He doesn't.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/15/2015 @ 1:42 PM *

They kill innocents every single day. They burn people in cages.

You remember we did the same thing very recently in Afghanistan, except instead of burning them in cages, we burned them in hospital beds. Yes, we later claimed it was a mistake, but even as the doctors called us to tell us to call off the shelling, our commanders let it continue for over an hour. Collateral damage?

Look, I know it is foolish to expect a reasonable conversation here about this very unreasonable topic, but... here we are. We'll probably never agree on a solution, because I will always maintain that more killing solves nothing, and the historical evidence is on my side.

More killing does solve things, thats how we stopped hitler, thats how we stopped the japanese,
unfortunately that is the only way to deal with people like this ...

More violence NOT done right will extend the said atrocities as can be said ever since
we have not fought to win since say the Korean war ...

you can hope for world peace, but its never going to happen, there has been strife and war
ever since recorded history can trace back ...

Naked force has resolved more conflicts throughout history than any other factor. The contrary opinion, that violence doesn't solve anything, is wishful thinking at its worst. People who forget that always die.

An American writer of fiction who understood human behavior better than most psychiatrists wrote that.

* Last updated by: hagrid on 11/15/2015 @ 5:01 PM *

More killing does solve things, thats how we stopped hitler, thats how we stopped the japanese,
unfortunately

You are actually making my point for me. Hitler may have been defeated, but fascism continues to haunt the planet, rearing its ugly head in many places. Some even claim the current US administration is fascist.

War, at its very bottom line, is killing other people in order to take their stuff. Their land and resources. And I will readily agree, when one declares war and tries to take your stuff, you have the right to defend, but...

there has been strife and war ever since recorded history can trace back ...

Indeed. Hard to believe you think it's because peace has been tried too often.

We live on a planet with an immense reserve of natural resources. Yet instead of making them available to all, some seek to control access in order to control others and create profit. Our current pain all revolves around access to the planet's oil supply, and it is no coincidence that the single largest consumer of oil is the U.S. Military. The whole brouhaha brewing in the South China Sea is about who will control the tanker routes in that major choke point.

Killing is a band aid. Killing is like radiation or chemo-therapy: it may temporarily solve the problem (and at great cost), but does absolutely nothing to advance a cure so that the sickness never arises again.

Finally...

Naked force has resolved more conflicts throughout history than any other factor. The contrary opinion, that violence doesn't solve anything, is wishful thinking at its worst. People who forget that always die.

Everybody dies anyway, and no matter what your belief in an afterlife, it doesn't matter who goes first or last.

* Last updated by: BigBloke on 11/15/2015 @ 6:28 PM *

Whilst I admire your altruistic regard toward your fellow human, your perception of what motivates the choices humans make is myopic.

"Indeed. Hard to believe you think it's because peace has been tried too often".

It's a fact that men have always used violence to solve their 'problems'.That in no way alters the power of peace.Without people striving for peace...it's doubtful any of us would be around.

Violence to 'protect'(necessary)...or violence to destroy(unnecessary) and take.This won't change until....nations and peoples get off the throne.But peace and caring can still flourish...and it does.That doesn't sell news though.But there's a lot more people out there practicing peace then there are practicing violence...regardless of what the news portrays.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/15/2015 @ 7:28 PM *

Hagrid, I appreciate your kind words and the consideration with which you deliver your criticism. You may be right about my myopia.

Grn14, you make some great points, particularly about what is "visible" to the masses. For now, emotion is carrying the day, and will once again be put to great effect by those with the ability and interest to do so.

Reading the above is phenomenally frustrating to me.

God lovers defend God regarding anything bad and credit him for all good.
You cannot have it both ways.
If you believe creationism and not evolution, this world and all in it is solely his design.
Therefore he is responsible for everything, good and bad.
Full stop.
No if's or buts.
Look at the world today and whats happening in it. No matter what or who are responsible, its all his design.
And the design is so faulty it beggars belief.
Why was AIDS designed? Why are innocent infants born with it? What good comes of that?
But hey, lets defend the designer. Not his fault.
What an absolute insult to ones intelligence...

I made a comment that there would be so much more peace in the world without religion.
Forget man, god, spirit, ideology, belief, the 17 tentacled purple and green octopus in the sky.
Its a simple comment.
And its true and cannot be argued.
Take religion out of the game and so many conflicts end instantly.

I also read that we need to be moderate in our responses to these fanatical Muslim terrorist threats that we currently all face every day.
We definitely dont want to lower to their level.
Yep. That's worked beautifully so far.
These extremists take no prisoners. They not only kill innocents but they do it in a way that promotes maximum horror to get their point across.
Then they look at our responses and they hold their sides and they laugh and laugh.
They know we have certain moral guidelines to follow and will not retaliate with any substance.
They know that we will say things like "Oh killing never solved anything".
And so they go on their merry way and do it again. And again.
With little or no fear of reprisal.

Do I have the definitive answer?
No.
But I do know you cannot fight a large fire with a drop of water.
We'd better leave every option, and I mean every option on the table or our children and children's children will live with the consequences...

Strong comments above?
Yes.
But someone has to have the balls to say something...

* Last updated by: yannih on 11/16/2015 @ 12:46 AM *

"But someone has to have the balls to say something..."..LOL.

"My Ways are not YOUR ways"..."His ways are past finding out"."Who is man that he should Judge God?".

God's Son and representative in this world showed us his likeness.His Image."If you have seen Me,you've seen the Father".Follow Me and ye shall have the fullness of life".

He didn't say..."follow me or else".This is the beauty of God's unchanging love and mercy.He allows us to decide.Do we know WHY he created things as they are?I don't..He obviously KNEW this would happen.WHY did He do this knowing these things?So that each person could have a Living chance in the NOW to have fullness of life.NOW is all we have.It's not important to look ahead and say...'it's HIS fault'.If we want a better tomorrow...then we have the opportunity to allow change TODAY.

The above quote..."But someone has to have the balls to say something"...I would slightly change to..."But someone has to have the balls to allow change".God's not causing this stuff...man is.It's not up to God to 'make things nicey nicey'...He's already given the way out.The truth is...He already supplied everything man could ever need.It's man's choice to go on stubbornly into the darkness.

It's not God's fault things are happening the way they are.It's man's fault.God shows the way...man rejects.

Just as Satan whispered..'Ye shall be like Gods'.Yep...and so we are...some anyway.Making the rules for morals.Making the rules for judgement.It's not God.It's man...doing his thing.Playing 'god'.Making himself in his own image.God said..."you shall have no other Gods before me"...it wasn't a threat...it was a warning about the danger of playing God.Which is what all this tragedy is about.Men playing God.

If I'm working on my bike...and I break something because I didn't read about how to do it...is that Kawasaki's fault.Blame Kawasaki cause I broke it out of 'know-it-all' ism?Seriously.

I can follow the manual...or I can wing it myself.

I can listen to God,or I can reject and wing it.Do want God to come down and smack me around and tell me.."You will now never have any choice in the matter...my way or the highway"...He could have done that.Sound like a good life?Not to me it doesn't.

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