Be yawn my belief this thing should have walked away from the rr but you saw rr gap the H and then the second run was all even up? You coulda spooled me!

I think since riding mine....lots of guys are leery about opening her up full on.This isn't your normally aspirated motor.For the power this bike lays down,it's quite light actually.Even though it is heavier than say,a gixxer or something,it has no problem lofting in at least the first 4 gears.That's not even wide open.I know...I've done it.It definitely opens yer eyes.So to see that guy not beating that Beemer...I'd have to say....he wasn't railing as hard as this bike is able to do.Just my opinion.I've laid into her fairly hard from a standing start to 190+mph.I gotta say...I doubt there's very many...if any bikes that could match the acceleration this bird has.Regardless of that guy's video.IF he had that bike flashed(and I think I know who that guy is)..he definitely wasn't gettin into it.DEFINITELY.

The flashes for this machine right now are getting 240-245 HP.For the H2.That's RWHP.No...he wasn't nailing it like he could have.Shame on him;)If he wasn't gonna go balls out,he shoulda never posted that lame video.I can tell by lookin....that H2 isn't wide f'n open.

Look at the cages he's passin.NO WAY is he railin as hard as he can.I've passed people doin 70,80 mph like they were standin still.And not even full on.Plus he backs out in that 'race'?She hadn't even hit her stride in that length of time.Dumb video.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 5/3/2015 @ 1:37 PM *

I've laid into her fairly hard from a standing start to 190+mph.

There is no top speed limiter on the H2?

If he wasn't gonna go balls out,he shoulda never posted that lame video

I'm sure it wasn't him who posted it. He has a helmet cam on. He might have posted his own video of races 3 and 4 where he cleaned the S1000's clock.

Don't know about a top speed limiter...I think so.Gotta remember,190 indicated may not be actual.Could be though.Not sure.The throttles start closing at 10.5K....So getting past anything above 190 or so is impossible stock.

Be yawn my belief this thing should have walked away from the rr but you saw rr gap the H and then the second run was all even up? You coulda spooled me!

"Be yawn belief", you crack me up Hub!

The H2 still has me scratching my head Hub, it's almost like Mother Teapot threw in the towel and admitted they couldn't compete with the RR without going to forced induction....and still you saw the video... RR is pulling dead even or even pulling a gap. Japanese are running scared, no one is able to go toe to toe with the Germans in the HP wars on a level playing field it seems. I hope KHI has big plans for the Gen 5 ZX-10R, the Gen 4 is a gem and better than the RR in my opinion. I think the Gen 5 is going to be bristling with high tech electronics and killer HP.

Definitely thrilling....that's for sure.

[q]it's almost like Mother Teapot threw in the towel and admitted they couldn't compete with the RR without going to forced induction...[q]
Lets look at past history. We think of power and K reins king. The, 'how much power to the ground' we override that move with too much HP, so goes the detuning there of. Besides, this was a shop for shop project input with all hands involved, not specifically to place the rr in check, but an exercise in, 'look what we can do,' or same as saying how Honda plays with the humanoids and that exercise.

Look at all the work RG had to do to run 8.2, and the 14R can run an 8.4 all day long. So for RG to say there is more HP seen in your lifetime, yeah, just a little more 'tease' horse is more like it. I hear rumor about the H blowing up under RG? I get a phone call [yesterday] about the new R1 blowing out a rod, oiled the pipes, caught fire and burned it down at some race at sears point this weekend. Here I thought the yam's were indestructible. For years the track was loaded with these bikes and they kept on running and running. Now this new R1 is having an issue? RG is having an issue?

Japanese are running scared, no one is able to go toe to toe with the Germans in the HP wars on a level playing field it seems.

As far as the vid, what gear was the H in? Was this a WOT the throttle, not pull the clutch in and rev the engine more like a rolling drag start? When Grn says it 'rides different' you kind of wonder if there is nothing below for torque and it all happens at a higher rpm? There is where I see a lag compared to the rr as in a rolling start, but still hung with the rr none the less.

"The H2 still has me scratching my head Hub, it's almost like Mother Teapot threw in the towel and admitted they couldn't compete with the RR without going to forced induction"

Kruz trust me the guy wasn't gettin it all....The H2 was not made to compete with the RR. It's totally a different deal. It will never handle as well as a ZX10 or BMW RR its to heavy but don't get me wrong she still handles real good just not like a 400 lbs liter bike. But as far as the motor is concerned its unreal. Every time I twist the wrist I still can't believe how she goes. Look my other two girls ( ZX14 204HP & 10R modded) are not slow bikes but can never compare them to a boosted motor. Shit I'm glad I never rode a turbo bike because I would have had to have one of them BIG time. Entirely Different Deal....

* Last updated by: Somefun on 5/4/2015 @ 7:33 AM *

Some, let me get my head around the H. Pick:

1. My 204hp 14 and modded 10 can keep up with the H; but are a few feet/yards back.
2. My H leaves both bikes in the dust, they never had a chance.
3. More like somewhere in the middle of the above 2 scenarios.

Hub the H will pull both bikes. Coming from a racing back round I say a win is a win. weather its 10 feet or ten miles. The best part of the H2 is it's all around package. I have not raced my ZX10 with it yet but it will walk my 14 for sure just like my 10R does.

Thanks, Some, but I was not thinking of a win. It's more of a power [torque] walkaway. JoeA on the H should have walked from that rr both times. Now, I can't tell who was struggling on that H? You'd think the puffer would rip it [the rr] a new asshole.

So pull for pull no clutch pulling, meaning, it looks dead even. I have no doubt the H would leave the bikes the more it spooled up, it's just that I'm not on the same page with the factory we start spooling for feet; means inches away from the fender.

If street riding is the most dangerous sport, I'd be on an electric bike with some torque multiplied at it. That's the street bike I'm looking for. A car is passing me on the right; is their on ramp is closing and they want to be in front of me [literally forcing me in the other lane or cut me off]. I see their fender [out the corner of my eye], I laugh and torque away in 6th. My spooler should cut that laugh in half I'm now holding on with my arm sockets dislocated kind of torque-away.

Signed,
Not in my lifetime will I desocket that [low speed torque] kind of a street bike.

"My spooler should cut that laugh in half I'm now holding on with my arm sockets dislocated kind of torque-away"...yes....this machine does that and a bunch more;).If you downshift say,to 3rd from 6th,and gas her...the passed cages won't even know you went by em!And by the way...HOLD THE FUCK ON!!!!This quickshifter has NO feel but PULL on up through the rev range.Kinda hard to get used to actually(for me)...I'm so used to clutching or blipping the throttle(on clutchless upshifts) on my 14.This is nothing like that...I might add...if you do downshift and gas her like above...you better be ready for a serious frontend lift!Thank God Kawasaki has that electronic steering damper on there.WEEEEEEEEE.

You power on around the cages while adding throttle...this thing keeps building power in such a way...it literally starts skipping the frontend....it's like...GEEEZ!WTF?I best back off a shade!

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 5/4/2015 @ 12:19 PM *

If you believe videos are all legit then you may be interested in a $200 new H2 I have for sale.

Maybe I'm missing something here but I'm just not getting this "The rider can't use full power or WOT" on the H2. WTF are all the electronics for then? If the H2 has poor low down torque and a manic top end than that will make launching and 1/4 mile sprints more challenging IMO.

Don't know where you read or heard that?You can go wide open with this bike.It'll go wide open.The only restriction is the throttlbodies...they start to close at 10.5K.You start losing some top end power past that...but this bike will easily nail 190+wide open(factory).The limiter is set to 13.5.The Guhl flash raises that limit.AND,he adjusts the plates to remain wide open up to that raised limit.Hell,you can raise it to 14K or more if ya want to....and she'll continue to boost all the way up.Maybe that's what you heard...about the wot deal.

DO IT, GRN!!!!

Naaaa no need for that Rook... My baby after the flash the blades are 100 % WOT up to 13,800 and let me tell you holy f..... She rips like nothing I've ridden and that's saying a shit ton.... I had a 40 shot on my 14 for the top speed deal and this thing is still faster.....

* Last updated by: Somefun on 5/4/2015 @ 7:10 PM *

And how are the miles per gallon vs the 14, gents? Not that it matters. It's more seeing how efficient this move was.

Proof's in the pudding, I want to see a vid where one of these walks away from a BMW, haven't seen it yet, just sayin...

Want the truth about the fuel mileage?Mine is getting at least as good as my 14...and then some.HOWEVER...it does NOT have the range because of the fuel tank capacity.I'm seeing anywhere from 18mpg when opening her up to 55mpg throttling back in 6th to 65 or so mph.I'm okay with it.It's normal.It's even getting better since around 500 miles.It doesn't get great mileage at 85,90 and up mph...but in the 65 range(in 6th)...oh yeah....45+MPG consistently.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 5/4/2015 @ 9:28 PM *

Thanks, Grn... Agree, Kruz. Pretty sad seeing that H had nothing for that rr, JMO.

Right Hub, I'm doing the math here, trying to build value, making the case why I should buy one. On one side is built be yawn belief, tons of hype but yet to see the proof of it's dominance. On the other hand the Teutonic Contender, refined, lightweight, proven electronics, razor sharp handling and fast as heck.....and $8000 less cash up front.
Seeing the videos with no gap on that RR, I know where I'd sink my cash. I was hoping for a lot more out of this bike right out of the box. I understand that this machine can be tuned, flashed, piped and excess fat trimmed but that all costs money and out of the chute it's no faster than the BMW and is 75 lbs heavier. Still scratching my head on this one.

Guess it depends on what yer after Kruz.How hard can ya ride that beemer?Or any sportbike of today.That vid as I said was NOT a good comparo.That guy even said so on the other forum.He said he has vids of him walking the beemer.Haven't seen em up yet...but I don't doubt it.You can't have a fair race on a freeway with cages all over...no way.

You should consider the H2.It's really a lot different than what you're used to.I'm way happy with mine.NEVER been on a bike with a QS before...this trans shifts so darn smooth...it's just great.No clunking at all...just click her in...she hauls the mail.

Checked out my rear tire after yesterday's ride...had the gummy worms across the whole tread...yes...even in the middle.She was putting down some serious torque there.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 5/5/2015 @ 7:06 AM *

For the money you still can't beat the price of a new 14r and then the cost of a good turbo kit (still cheaper than an H2). Stage one kit was putting out 250 at the rear with 140 tq. If you really wanna up the ante, add a meth kit for additional safety and up the boost a lil more, or fully build it like me and ramp it up as much as you like. I believe Romans bike is running 8lbs spring, but creeping to nine, and my bike is hitting 12lbs steady right through the gear. Nothing compares to a good running turbo bike. The pull on boost is silky smooth and super fast. The trick is finding a tire to "semi" hold the power on the street.