Well yannih, you were right,

Rossi was bitching and moaning that Marquez didn't even try to pass Lorenzo right after the race,
blah blah blah ... Lorenzo would have won the championship anyways even if marquez did pass him

Rossi needs to concede to the fact, that he is not the rider he once was, he's still very good, just not as great as he was ,he's getting older now,just the way it is, the only reason he had a shot at the championship is because MM has crashed so many times this year, (that's another story)

One person in the M/C world has a theory as to why rossi has been going bananas lately, he said
he thinks rossi understands that honda is not going to let the same stuff happen two years in a
row, (marquez crashing so much and engine/handling of new motor, frame etc ..) so rossi is thinking
this may be my last chance at a championship ....

We will see ... to be continued next year ......

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Dead right car...

This Championship was the last opportunity for Valentino Rossi and he knows it.
He will never have this chance again because he knows he is no longer the best out there.

The sad thing is he should have won the whole thing.
Without his decision melt down starting at Sepang the 7 point lead would have probably been just enough to get him through in the last race.
Such a wasted opportunity to add to his legend but he royally blew it.
And he knows that big time!
How he wishes he could have his time back from Sepang onwards.

But he cant and now the Championship is gone and the bad sportsmanship and excuses are spraying from his mouth.
Anyone's fault but his own.

Its sad to see such a great Champion reduce himself to this.
I have no doubt that in the future when he calms down and looks at the facts, he will regret his actions and words.

And of course as he is a god in his sport, his fans will pathetically follow what ever he says, right or wrong.
He can do no wrong in their eyes and every one else is the enemy.

I dont care if its the great Champion Valentino Rossi or Mr Joe Nobody, I judge people the same.

Think about it.
Because of his own actions and short comings, he put himself in a position in Valencia where he was out of contention with the top 3 riders and the World Championship was not in his hands to decide.
Still, he expected the Honda's to win it for him and when they did not, well the world of motorsport was an embarrassment.

Lastly, while you are reading my comments consider this scenario.
There are two US Moto GP riders racing for Honda and coming second and third in the last race of the season but are out of the Championship hunt.
In front of them is a third US compatriot racing for Yamaha and the World Championship.
Back in the field is an Italian rider also riding for Yamaha who is not in contention for the race but relying on both second and third place Honda riders to overtake the leader for the World Title.
As an American, if you were one of the Honda riders coming second or third, would you overtake your countryman and deny him the World Title simply to gain another race win to your name and in the process hand the Championship to another rider from another country?
America is one of the proudest nations I know, and while I can never make decisions on behalf of anyone else, I'm pretty sure I know what the answer would be.
Further more, if Rossi from Yamaha was leading and Dovi and Iannone from Ducati were behind him, would they pass Rossi to take the title away from another Italian?
Absolutely no way in the world.

So I'm sick of Rossi's whinging.
Im sick of Rossi's hypocrocy.
I'm sick of Rossi's excuses.
Im sick of Rossi's accusations.
And I'm sick of Rossi's poor sportsmanship.

You may have noticed with all my entries on this thread I have some pretty serious opinions on all of this.

Im just a little surprised everyone (minus Rossi's mindless fans who cant think for themselves) cant see something similar.
I guess we are all different.

But dont worry.
This will be my last entry on the matter as Im pretty sure you have all have figured out where i am coming from...

* Last updated by: yannih on 11/9/2015 @ 11:43 PM *

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I have no doubt that in the future when he calms down and looks at the facts, he will regret his actions and words.

Let's look back and watch both sides actions. It might be that Rossi had some insight/gut feeling/had to fight for every politically riddled championship is something might just be there and we are missing it. First thing I learned was if I can hang, that person up front is slowing me down. Hodgson watched MM's famous MO fizzle? You watch Honda always throws out the pitboard on the 11th lap. That countdown begins the safety margin of the 'pass and gap.' That's what should have taken place as the pit's MO. I don't know if that occurred for Dani, but I've seen that call for Dani more than once.

So say both in question helped the other out, you/I do not know the IN of the In-side of that gp group and their actions. If you leave the penalties out, yes, Jorge had more wins, Rossi more podium finishes. Rossi was holding his own or was being played with? That is now Rossi is wondering this? RR crashed out too many times so his points lead would not matter with so many races in. What happens next race? Are those two compatriots (in question is the alleged) thinking out who is next for the trophy?

You kind of build a conspiracy theory and wring out your own truths. So maybe Rossi is not acting the crybaby, but a team within a team could not be taken out of the equation. Both from the same country? The famous MO 'shadow and take off' trick? Why Rossi has snapped out like this? Are we missing something? Hodson calls it as he sees a 'protection' strategy?

As an American, if you were one of the Honda riders coming second or third, would you overtake your countryman and deny him the World Title simply to gain another race win to your name and in the process hand the Championship to another rider from another country?

I'll change it around and say, 'as a racer,' I take on a 'hate every last one of those motherfuckers' and will try to WIN the race as if in a war. Unless, unless the pit boss calls the shots and says; let the team mate pass. I then have a contract laid out that, if I lose that kind of personal history lost in the record books, pay me, fuck you; find a faster rider kind of why you are a top factory rider. So fuck every last country I go racing for one thing is win or stay the fuck home. Bring me your best shit or you stay home.

Im just a little surprised everyone (minus Rossi's mindless fans who cant think for themselves) cant see something...

So if Hodson saw something, Yannih. If Rossi saw it way before we did...

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Hub, Rossi is saying there was a huge conspiracy against him winning the 2015 World Championship.
Does this not scream of desperation to you?
Regardless of whether it is true or not, unless it can be 100% proven he is on very dangerous ground suggesting it.
And of course the question begs.
Why would a rider or team do such a thing?
Or are we going to have a guess at that one as well?

Rossi kicked a rider off his bike and has complained to all that will listen, over and over, on nothing more than an opinion.
Even after the season has finished.

No, my mind has not changed one bit on this.
Sad but true...

* Last updated by: yannih on 11/9/2015 @ 4:57 PM *

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Rossi is off the charts, now he thinks the CEO of Dorna is in on the conspiracy !!!

they better check Rossi for drugs again, or maybe he is manic/depressive ... he is definitely
delusional !!!

Read this article :

Article Here !!!!!

Well yannih, I will leave you with this,
As Mat Mladin said about Ben Spies :

"He's a great motorbike rider, I have always said that, but about character,
thats a different story"

I think this applies to Rossi

* Last updated by: carabuser on 11/9/2015 @ 5:24 PM *

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"He will never have this chance again because he knows he is no longer the best out there"...conjecture...pure conjecture("knows he's NOT the best out there").Had he been a bit closer time wise to those guys up front at the beginning..I dare say...he'd have beat all of em.He IS that good.His last place start really ruined his race.But he tried like hell....

If I'm riding my ride,and some guy comes up aside me,virtually steers into me...I'm probably gonna push away with my leg.Like it or not.I'm certainly not gonna use my hand to do it.Too bad for Marc...he shoulda backed off a bit..instead of squeezing like he did.He didn't,and got pushed away.He's not the 'victim' here...he's the perp.

Honestly...I'm not a fan of either one of em in the normal sense of the word.I just see em a professional riders.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/9/2015 @ 7:46 PM *

Come on Green.
Seriously?

Had Rossi...
If Rossi...
Maybe Rossi...

"Had" Pedroza had the arm pump operation earlier he would have been more of a threat to the Championship.
"If" Marquez didn't have so many DNF's he would have won the title.
"Maybe" if the weather was kinder to Lorenzo the title would have been wrapped up well before the last race.

Something else to consider.
Look carefully at the races Rossi actually won?
Either the weather intervened, key competitors failed to finish or he took a short cut at the finish line.
Never did Rossi battle with Marquez, Lorenzo and Pedroza in a good fight with fine weather and win.

Lorenzo is now quicker. Fact.
Marquez is now quicker. Fact.
Pedroza on his day is quicker. Fact.

Every pre-race qualifying session proved this conclusively.
Yet more proof is considering Rossi's amazing consistency in the 2015 season, he only won 4 of the 18 races.

Rossi is getting older and slowing down.
Perfectly natural. There is nothing wrong with that.
He has had an amazing time in the sun.
And Rossi will always be a great champion. No one can ever take that away from him.
But his recent antics, his pathetic excuses and his inability to accept reality is losing him and his legend huge amounts of respect.

Do I think he could have won the whole thing this year? Yes.
But he blew it due to poor decision making and he is now having to come to terms with that fact.
No if's, no but's, no where's no when's, no what's.
The results are now in the history books.
Again, he has nobody to blame but himself...

Do I think he has a chance next year?
In my opinion he'll be semi competitive but no way in the world can he win the whole thing...

Green.
Be really honest with me.
Forget personality, popularity, charm and charisma.
Forget crowd interaction and past records.
Lets just talk pure current ability and speed on the track.
Right now, who would you rather have racing for your life.
Lorenzo or Rossi???

But at least you have conceded that Rossi did kick Marquez off his bike and I guess that's something...

* Last updated by: yannih on 11/10/2015 @ 5:44 AM *

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"But at least you have conceded that Rossi did kick Marquez off his bike and I guess that's something..."...LOL...

"Right now, who would you rather have racing for your life"...well..I don't know really.What do mean..'racing for your life'?You mean like I'd get put to death or something if my pick lost?.Lorenzo's fast...and consistent.Rossi's bold and flexible.I'd go with Rossi.I don't think Rossi in 4th was giving her all he had...knowing that his win depended on Honda(both)passing Lorenzo.He definitely couldn't catch up.Just too much time and space between em.Rossi's pretty volatile..he tries a lot of different stuff that most wouldn't dare to.You watch him ride...he's definitely got his own style...

I'd have to say...if Rossi was up in the front there with those three guys...I really think he'd have dispatched em like he always does...or most of the time anyway.(I don't mean by kicking(LOL).

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/10/2015 @ 7:26 AM *

When the race was over, meaning, the race when MM was knocked down, you could see Jorge crack a little smile as VR was trying to [justify or] clean up his act. They were standing behind the podium waiting to walk around from the back and collect the trophies, spray the bubbly.

Once I saw Jorge grin, it sure did not look like a conspiracy, but more the old man breaking down from the pressure he was in. Jorge won the championship without a doubt.

Rossi needs to focus on next year and hope he does not repeat the debacle he put himself in.

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I don't care if you think Rossi is a punk. You have to give credit for him being on the podium at just about every race. Consistancy wins championships. And Jorge could have been a worthy champion in my eyes but he threw that away at Sepang. When he could have kept his dignity, he trashed his teammate and gave the Thumbs down on the freaking podium. Way to show class. When Borenzo wins it's bacause if his superhuman talent. When he fucks up it's because of "bad luck". No wonder he and Biaggi are pals.

Mad

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http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2015/Nov/151109stiffrebuke.htm

I'm on the fence because there are two-sides-to-dis-story. Imagine VR as the new Dorna Chief down the road. I want to know what VR's crew thinks about all this? Did they sway him away, too scared to tell Val he's delusional? Pit might be the answers one is looking for to see who is doing what to whom?

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Rossi got fucked,Marquez didn't try to pass Lorenzo,when he went at it with Perdosa, they dropped back from Lorenzo yet he had no problem closing back up.Marquez could of passed Lorenzo then there would of been a real race,perdosa and Lorenzo fighting for 2nd.When Rossi was working from last to fourth no one was giving him much of a battle guess a lot of riders sided with him.i've watched footage of Rossi Marquez battle til I was blue in the face , Rossi did not kick Marquez,maybe some of you guys should get on a track and kick another rider if you kick out with your left foot you're going to go right.im not saying Rossi was right in standing the bike up to force Marquez wide. Marquez turned into him probably thinking Rossi would turn in .I have no respect for Marquez he's a fucking weasle

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Digesting how the year panned out I'm formulating a synopsis of a down to the wire... "Consistency vs. Wins"... Which Dorna Fucked Up.

C'est la vie

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An old thread reopened but as an adamant non Rossi fan, not even I wanted the result in Mugello being his home race.
It's the one and only time I would have liked to see him win. So many of his fans there, super competitive fighting for the victory, and starting the race from pole.
Big call for me but I reckon if it was in my power to change the fact that the Yamaha's engine would blow I would have.

But I can't and it did.
A shame but I reckon I won't lose any sleep over it.

Perhaps he should jump on a 14!

* Last updated by: yannih on 6/2/2016 @ 5:15 AM *

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I'm too fickle to be a fan.
GP:
Pol has been my last year's pick to do something. I believe he's now the satellite points leader.
WSB:
Another last year pick is Smith. Forgot his first name. Maybe he was on a 600 and moved up to the production based 1000cc class bike, not an all out superbike. Last time I looked he was 4th? That Brit can ride a bike. If you do not have his skill set?

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Awww, Valentino fell down.
And then the indignity of being stuck under his Yamaha.
Made me smile actually.
I hope Rossi's pit cronies took away his shoe laces because thats an inglorious end to yet another MotoGP season where Marc Marquez has cost him dear.
Perhaps Rossi may have had a chance in Motegi if he could have somehow got close enough to Marquez to kick him off. Plenty of experience there...
How Vale must regret opening his mouth last year in Sepang and self destructing what should have been World Title number 10!

* Last updated by: yannih on 10/16/2016 @ 6:00 AM *

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No matter what you think about Rossi, he was 2nd in the championship last year and may be 2nd again this year. I think that deserves some kind of respect. Even from the Haters.

Mad

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G'Day Mad,
I can assure you Rossi does not race for 2nd place down! Money does not come into it because he is already a Godzillionaire.
He races for one thing and one thing only.
World Championships.
2nd is a complete waste of time to him.
Regarding respect, all including myself must respect his ability, talent and achievements. He is possibly the greatest motorcycle racer the world has ever seen.
But I do not respect him as a person.
His antic's at the end of last year showed his character or lack thereof and he paid a very dear price for it by losing what he coverts most. I have no doubt he has learnt from the experience.
Hater? Nah.
Expresser of my opinion? Definitely and everytime.

* Last updated by: yannih on 10/18/2016 @ 6:02 PM *

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Ok Yannih, I'll accept that. But throughout his career Rossi has always been gracious in defeat. At least until last year. When he loses he says he was too slow or made a mistake or the other riders were just better that day. And that's the issue I have with Borenzo. When he wins it's because he's the best rider ever. When he loses it's because of his tires, or his bike or the weather or because someone passed him in a "not nice way". Waaaaah.
Marquez is a worthy champion this year. Showed maturity and no one can control an out of control bike like he can.
I have to say , I am looking forward to next year. bring it on!!

Mad

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Agreed with pretty much all you said Mad.
Especially bring on next season.
Lots to look forward to.
Can anyone catch Marquez?
Will he stay mature or will self confidence get the better of him?
What will Rossi show us next year and how will he go with his new team mate?
How will Maverick Vinales go on the Yamaha?
Will Lorenzo show up those who couldn't/can't really get the best of the Ducati or will he be just like the rest (Stoner excluded)?
Can the Suzuki's keep improving?
Can Jack Miller break the record for number of crashes in one season?
How many times will Pedrosa break his collar bone?

Time will tell...

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Old thread re-opened again but currently in the 2017 MotoGP season:-
Marquez again at the pointy end fighting for a World Championship.
Dovizciso having an absolutely cracking season and the sentimental favourite.
Vinales a very respectable MotoGP rookie season.
KTM, Aprilia and Suzuki improving all the time.
Overall a very competitive and entertaining season.
But all over and yet another failed campaign for the little kicking whinging grub Valentino Rossi. Awww...

* Last updated by: yannih on 10/15/2017 @ 3:41 AM *

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Must be hard for him to accept getting old and the young punks riding over him with apparent ease. Also seems like his bike is not competitive last few races.

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Also seems like his bike is not competitive last few races.

maybe they're trying to give him the hint.

life changes are always tough but a lot more so if you can't accept them.

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