Check out 2:04 to 2:10.My sentiments exactly;)I do belive this was Marc's undoing.HE caused this.He couldn't pass wide...so he purposely dived into Rossi.Instead of slowing and dropping under.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 10/30/2015 @ 1:47 PM *

Watching that just showed a sad little man who simply cannot accept he is no longer the best out there will will make any excuse to cover it. Especially when a championship is on the line.

"In Australia Marquez played with me because he preferred Lorenzo to win the championship but when he saw Iannone pass he decided to go and win the race".

Is there anything more ridiculous than that?

And if by chance it happened to be true, notice Marquez was still good enough to get the win and Rossi wallowed in 4th.

Combined with his disgraceful on track antics, all of this has shown what a desperate little grub Valantino Rossi actually is.

* Last updated by: yannih on 10/30/2015 @ 2:52 PM *

You know, I'm NOT gonna take sides in this BUT with years of racing and riding experience PLUS the advantage of having some close friends that are really true racing champions, here's my 2 cents. No one and I truly mean NO one can go wide and run me off the track, I have installed two well performing solutions to that problem, I have brakes AND a throttle. I can use either or both at any given time to gain an advantage or give space where needed.
Someone would be terribly surprised and disappointed at their ability to successfully "Push" or run me off the track. I'm not even half the level of these guys and I can guarantee you that even if you pride yourself and consider yourself an expert at running someone off the track you'll go home pretty upset. BOTH Rossi and Marquez did some really stupid shit in this race once they "hooked up".
Trust me when I say, either/or and both of them have the skill, talent and control to have avoided this. Marquez didn't anticipate anything, he turned into him thinking if he did it would...ahem...encourage Rossi to move right. Rossi looking at him 3 times isn't "Setting him up", are you kidding? At this level gentlemen "looking" at someone isn't setting them up! That's implying that Marquez doesn't have the skill and talent to avoid a heavily telegraphed setup? I don't think so! Rossi was looking back at him 3 times as a WTF are you doing! Stop it, I'm pissed, let's race! EVERYTHING these guys did was to "Jack" with each other. Thinking anything less means that you're out of touch with their talent. I KNOW Hub knows this! He's been around it I can gather just from reading his posts over the last couple of years. Have any of you ever tried in a race to reach out and kick someone? You'll usually lose that hand I can promise you. Marquez bike slid out from under him because the combination of his lean angle and an introduced force from a very high (head)area created more leverage on the tires than the traction could support and they slid out from under him. We can point fingers, blame, cuss, spit and throw fits from now on but in the end ONLY and ONLY Valentino Rossi and Marc Marquez will know the real truth in all of this. It's never gonna be solved by drawing lines between each other.

Sic

Sic, I respect your opinion just as I respect anyone's but it certainly doesn't mean I agree.
But one very simple question for you mate.

With your years of racing and riding experience, why won't you take a side and state your opinion why like pretty much every other person who has contributed to this thread has done?

* Last updated by: yannih on 10/31/2015 @ 5:17 AM *

Hi yannih,
Thank you very much for responding like you did! I absolutely LOVE, reasonable, mature and experienced debate! Like you, I very much respect others opinions and because of the people on this forum, truly, it's the only one I belong to! I'm actually trying my hardest to keep the blame in this incident shared "un-biased or mutual" if you will. Trust me it goes against all my instincts! LMAO!! I really wanna get down on one or the other but in the end I just really think they're BOTH to blame for it, I think they were both jacking with each other and it caught up with them. Although it caught up with them in different ways, it did.
What I really think is that DORNA should have pulled them both in after FP2 when it was totally obvious that things were going down like a Wal-Mart tire between them (not in the media but on the track) and had a real serious chat with them. Kinda like the chat Big John had with Cole Trickle and Rowdy Burns in "Days of Thunder". Remember that one? The "Japanese Lettuce" chat. If that didn't work, black flagged both of them in the race and cleared it up between them. I don't know the true answer I guess I was just wanting to throw my 2 cents out there and honestly, this forum is the only place I've done it because I just really feel like this is the only one housing enough reasonable, experienced people to do that.
Also, I've been in a few situations a little similar to this over the years although they were situations that developed on the track and ended on the track, no real bad blood before or after, maybe not "friends" before or after but still somewhat cordial. In each one of those instances if both of us had been truly honest, we both or either of us could have avoided or ended the situation at anytime...but we didn't. You just gotta love the racers mentality, irrational as hell, half nuts, over focused, OCD as hell, adrenalin junky, "I didn't do anything wrong" kinda dumbasses!! HAHAHAHA!! Yes me included.
Again, thanks for your response like that yannih. You're awesome buddy.

Sic and I DO mean...really sic! LMAO

I'm going to disagree on one point. And that means 'points.' I'm going to take a guess at two ways of winning a championship. One is win every race or most of them. The other is 'consistency.' So if Rossi was consistently up there and others had problems, here we are in a consistency kind of championship. It's now a sour kind of situation and I would not want to live with that kind of trophy.

That guy [Rossi] was beating the pants off the kid. The kid just sort of timed in with Rossi on a blow by blow situation. Rossi masterfully played with the kid, [or his own head game]; mom had to bring out the poster and prove Rossi wrong. Yeah, so it backfired [on VR]. Then the push off the line, the too long a 'sit up' and it backfired again.

I'd want Rossi's qualifying times up front where he lands and go from there. Points lost were enough. Fuck the FIM. It's racing. And take the stink off that memento FFS. It was a racing deal. Think of that one race where both were at it, did Rossi back off for a split, MM plowed into the back of Rossi's tire and MM goes down. Was that a racing incident or deliberate?

I'd have to watch all the angles to the murder scene, see if Rossi's wrist was where in throttle moves?

"If you mess with me...I'll bring ya down"....MM should have known this going in with Rossi.That's part of racing...IMO.Of course,Marc was probably thinking the same thing...but he shouldn't have attempted a body slam to get his way;)Not on two wheels anyway.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 10/31/2015 @ 4:34 PM *

Theres no question of guilt, VR was handed it on the day after the race.

Should of been delt with during the race with a stop and go or other penalty, and he starts next race with a clean slate

forever a mess now.

From motogp's website.

Emilio Alzamora asks for a "return to normal" after Italian reporters assaulted Marc Marquez' home on Friday.

Former 125 World Champion and Marc Marquez' mentor Emilio Alzamora addressed the media on Saturday in Barcelona to explain the events of Friday, which saw a couple of Italian reporters confronting the Repsol Honda rider and his family at his domicile in Cervera.

"As you all know, some very unfortunate events took place yesterday in Marc's home as a group of people showed up, shouting abuse and trying to get into his domicile and even assaulting some of his relatives," explained Alzamora. "This goes beyond the limits of sports, such circumstances should never have occurred. Logically, we'll take legal steps with our lawyers following this situation."

"The important thing is that Marc is OK, he's trying to prepare as usual for the next race, training and carrying on with his routine. In the light of those events, we want to ask respect for Marc and his family."

"This situation is far from normal and we have to make sure Marc can prepare for the last Grand Prix and work as usual, going back to a normal life, Marc and his family deserve to be respected," concluded Alzamora.

THE BEST THERE EVER WAS

See what happens on the 6th,

THE BEST THERE EVER WAS

So he went wide to discourage Marc...that's not illegal or necessarily wrong.They're racing.Marc had several options there.He chose his decision.And paid for it.Rossi's decision was what it was..to go wide...Marc's...bordering on willful wrecklessness.He could have slowed and they wouldn't be having this right now.He barely missed him on the turn before that one.Even the State laws in the US automatically judge someone rearending someone else as 'at fault'...except in a few rare circumstances.WHY?Because the front driver is not responsible to be able to control what someone behind and following is doing.It's assumed the rear driver should be able to have sense enough to steer clear or avoid something happening up ahead.If they can't do that..they shouldn't be driving. Marc lost his cool and reason out of anger.Unprofessional.But shit happens.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 10/31/2015 @ 9:39 PM *

Come on Lorenzo, show that little whining, kicking grub Rossi how it is done today...

* Last updated by: yannih on 11/8/2015 @ 7:21 AM *

YES YES YES.

No matter what you think of him, what a ride from Lorenzo.
Super worthy World Champion!

2015 will also be known as the Championship Rossi blew with his mouth and antics.
How to negate a World Championship points lead in the last race in one easy lesson...

How does it feel Valentino?
Perhaps go and kick your dog???

And I'm now waiting for all the "Marquez let Lorenzo win" calls...

* Last updated by: yannih on 11/8/2015 @ 12:14 PM *

"No matter what you think of him, what a ride from Lorenzo.
Super worthy World Champion!"

I think a lot more of Lorenzo as a man, than i do rossi, glad rossi didn't win ...

the cries of a spanish conspiarcy will start soon, but in the end Lorenzo was the fastest all weekend and road a great race.

rossi did what you would think, being there is only about 4 competive bikes, what a shame its not a field of 20 fast bikes.

Carabusa, you and I are on exactly the same page on all of this.

GRN, well said.
"Rossi sythed through the field".
Yes, he is extremely talented and it took amazing skill to do what he did, but it seems the commentators and fans very quickly forget what equipment he is on compared to the vast majority of everyone else in the field.

And instead of being a gracious loser, the little Italian grub was mouthing off again.
Marquez this, Lorenzo that, false Championship, etc...
It appears that if Rossi cant win the Championship then no one else can.

Lastly yes, Rossi has personality and charisma Lorenzo can only dream of. Its why his fans will never bad mouth him no matter what wrong he does or says.
But give me Lorenzo as a human being any day.

Again, World Championship gone Valentino, World Championship gone.

Regards,
A very ex Rossi fan.

* Last updated by: yannih on 11/9/2015 @ 2:22 AM *

I think the win would have gone to the Rossman if he hadn't had to wind his way through the pack...he could never make up that 13 or so second head start to the others up front.He didn't do to bad though,considering.I'm no hater.Lorenzo couldn't really lose...those Hondas weren't gonna get by him...and they had to.Seems a bit 'unfair'...but points is points.Poor Marc...knowing he couldn't get the full win even if he DID beat Lorenzo.Kinda shitty.But he stayed in it...KUDOS to him for sure.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/8/2015 @ 4:43 PM *

Yanman said "I have never seen such a complete melt down from such a champion"...Tyson/Holyfield ring a bell?LOL.

"Ears yer soup Evander"...

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/8/2015 @ 4:46 PM *

Fair call GRN.
I should have said "seemingly intelligent champion"...

But again, desperate measures from those who doubt their ability to come through when it really counts...

* Last updated by: yannih on 11/8/2015 @ 4:59 PM *

I just watched the full Sepang race. What a battle. Marquez and Rossi were definitely racing each other and the rest of the race (which was pretty boring) got away from them. if there hadn't been so much competition between those two, they each would have had a better shot at winning first place. Seeing how those two were going at it, it's understandable how one was going to go down. I remember seeing Marquez make a radical adjustment a few times to avoid bumping Rossi as Rossi just barely edged ahead of him in a corner. It was so close. Great fight but the leg kick, I still think that was unfair even if it was a reflex action. There's nothing wrong with running Marquez off the track. I don't know if either of them could have caught up to the front by that time anyway.

There's nothing wrong with running Marquez off the track.

will just have to disagree on that level sportsman ship. Rook

If a guy is gonna let someone else ruin his day...that's his fault.If i can't make a pass on the outside cause the guy in front of me is trying to make me run wide...must I wait for him to hit me on my present trajectory?Or CHANGE MY trajectory.It's not like I can't SEE what's happening before it actually runs it's course.Everyone's blaming Rossi.Who actually ran into who?

Rossi swung wide...but not trying to run Marc off the track.He was trying close the outside possibility for Marc.Slow him down some...maintain his lead.Marc leaned into Rossi,thinking Rossi would yield somehow.He didn't.The contact was clearly in Marc's hands.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/8/2015 @ 10:34 PM *

So in Sepang, if Rossi was innocent and did nothing wrong, and Marquez was guilty and at fault, why did VR46 start from the back of the grid in Valencia?
Especially considering his standing in the World Championship fight?

Ah, now there's a tricky one to explain boys?

* Last updated by: yannih on 11/9/2015 @ 4:29 AM *

I reckon they had to do something to show others...'this is unsportsmanlike conduct'...