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Created on: 10/16/14 12:09 PM

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Radar detectors
10/16/14 12:09 PM

Lately I've been thinking about getting one....most of em look really clunky sitting on their mounts at the steering stem thing.I don't know if that's what I might want.But I'm open to suggestions here.Simplicity...that's the key here...any input welcome.Thanks Guys;)...BTW...I have a techmount deal already....not using it at the moment.Don't have a radar or GPS platform though.Only for my goPro.I have the standard arm that comes with the techmount...and a longer one as well.


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RE: Radar detectors
10/16/14 12:17 PM

First be sure they don't use lazar where you ride. Been a while since i heard any discussion about lazar jammers. I know Scottjkyl was happy with his but I haven't heard a peep from him in over a year. hope his luck didn't run out.

I still think any cop worth his salt is going to try to chase you if you're doing over 100, radar evidence or not. They have cameras in the car that will likely give a good indication of how fast you were going when you passed.



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RE: Radar detectors
10/16/14 12:31 PM

Yeah...just musing on the idea really.Hell...I slow down on the straights anymore anyhow.I don't rail near as fast as I used to in the curves.Maybe I will still get one...I was lookin at that escort S2 model....wireless.Got really good reviews.Probably all I'd really need.Something small and easy.We'll see.

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RE: Radar detectors
10/16/14 2:11 PM

I've been looking at a set-up too. I've had a Solo S2 and 8500, both spliced into my headphones it worked very, very well. They do say battery operated are not even half as effective. I'm thinking of a Bel Pro 300, hardwired to a fuzeblock, which eliminated a clumky cig adapter.

Mounting I have no idea

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RE: Radar detectors
10/17/14 6:23 AM

A radar detector, at least in most areas, is probably a waste of money. Why?
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First, most jurisdictions have "transitioned" to a laser based, "point and shoot" system. Unless it "hits" the very expensive (with their dubious claims...)detectors available that can "see" it before it measures the particular "target", most methods are ineffective. That being said, any "jammer", has to defeat the laser before the return signal can be captured by the measuring device. It's a tecno thing, and most do not really work because the laser is not a EM signal with side lobes, etc.
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Any laser "jammer" (lasers are highly directional), has to know where the emission source is located and has to therefore specifically reflect a spurious, doppler corrected, laser signal back to that source.
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The "fuzz" will immediately detect a "jammer" because the return readings will be all over the measurement range. Notwithstanding the legality of a "jammer" of any sort, the target will still likely be identified, and to be honest.... I don't think that when someone with a jammer device is stopped will be a happy camper when the police leave the scene of the stop.
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I like to go fast every once in a while. But the fact of the matter is that it's not if you will get caught... it's when. I can "expound" on this subject for a salient reason. I just retired from MIL and LE. I retired as a Captain from the Sheriff's Office, and among my many duties... was the writing of all dederal and state grants, and securing adequate equipment funding for the traffic enforcement unit. That included the technology to allow them to catch people...
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It's not worth it; "jammers", and detectors are nothing more than "sharp pointy sticks" to stab at the sleeping dragon's eyes. When you are on a clearly recognizable "demon" that for many LE folks is a fun, easy target, you want to avoid such things... LOL!!!
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Just some thoughts.

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RE: Radar detectors
10/17/14 6:58 AM

Well...yeah...I never saw a real need for one really.Some swear by em.I guess if you were coming into a long straight or something...might be nice to know if someone's up there out of visual range...but I don't speed on straights anyway...it'd really be useless for me.In visually iffy canyons...trying to rein in this bike at any 'unlawful' speed leaned over to possibly match 'a speed limit' in time...likely not gonna happen safely.I've just slowed down nowadays to stay within the 10 mph over grace area.Works for me anyway.I really don't NEED a detector.

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RE: Radar detectors
10/17/14 7:19 AM

It's not worth it; "jammers", and detectors are nothing more than "sharp pointy sticks" to stab at the sleeping dragon's eyes.

On my daily commute, I know where there are spots for state troopers to sit. There are many spots, and I don't slow down for all of them. My Escort saved my butt this week when the car in front of me was getting hit with radar and the escort alarmed. I slowed to the speed limit before the trooper even saw me.

They don't use laser where I live, just radar from stationary cars. The escort has paid for itself many times over.



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RE: Radar detectors
10/17/14 7:53 AM

The "fuzz" will immediately detect a "jammer" because the return readings will be all over the measurement range. Notwithstanding the legality of a "jammer" of any sort, the target will still likely be identified, and to be honest.... I don't think that when someone with a jammer device is stopped will be a happy camper when the police leave the scene of the stop.

exactly what I thought from the time jammers started coming on the market. If you use one and if it does what it's supposed to do, the cop is at the very least going to know you have a jammer...or be highly suspicious. So then you hope he would rather wait for the next guy that he can get a definite lock on instead of chase you down knowing he will probably find a jammer somewhere. If you just do 80 mph, it might be worth it because the ticket won't be too bad but if you are doing over 100, you're screwed if they come after you. They don't need a speed recorded on their gun. They can call it reckless driving or driving too fast for conditions.



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RE: Radar detectors
10/17/14 7:56 AM

Hey groomlake, is there such thing as police who sport ride when off duty? Would one be any safer from tickets riding fast with a pack of speed loving off duty cops?



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RE: Radar detectors
10/17/14 8:53 PM

I use a Valentine detector. Has paid for itself on many occasions. Most of the time it's when I'm unintentionally speeding. Well worth the investment for me.



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RE: Radar detectors
10/17/14 9:07 PM

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RE: Radar detectors
10/18/14 12:17 AM

Around here the places where you have to worry about laser is usually around freeway exits/entrances and the lower speed limit zones as you approach town. I don't speed in those area's much to worry about it. BUT where a detector would help me is in the backroads where I might come zipping out of a corner and hit a short straight between that and the next corner. And a few times Ive seen the cop car in time OR he wasn't using his radar as I slowed. However, I KNOW that eventually I will get caught jumping on it a bit, and get popped. that's the type of stuff I'd like to have warning of.

I have a spare 8500 x50, will probably hard wire it this winter. Next I need to figure out a mount, and a way to keep it waterproof. Ideas?

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RE: Radar detectors
10/18/14 6:28 AM

Quote from Rook: "Hey groomlake, is there such thing as police who sport ride when off duty? Would one be any safer from tickets riding fast with a pack of speed loving off duty cops?"
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Ok... Yes and no (sorta)... LOL!!! Some history & background that most may find amusing... The key thing here is police and Harley Davidson; and this nexus is still alive, well, and prevalent.
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In days of old and knights were bold (well you know the rest of that "ditty"), I finished my edumacation at the big kollidge (on one of them thar ROTC scholarships) and thanks to Congress changing the law which resulted in me not having to go back on active duty, I decided to get an honest job that would not require me to deploy every six months to more strange, far off, long forgotten places where we was all kinda' supposed to win the hearts and minds of the people before burning their little huts down...
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Now, all good ole' boy humor aside... my wife and I made a deal - whoever got the best job first, then that's where we would do the homestead, raise some children, grow old (and when we got rid of the kids... head off to some remote hills in Arkansas from which we emanated...). Being poor, my wife (to whom I shall refer to as She Who Must Be Obeyed - "SWMBO"), had the car and I had my 1982 Katana (GS650G) with the orange rims, and orange seat which I bought in Germany before returning to go back to school (at the DOD's expense... LOL!!!).
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That bike allowed me to get to and from school, and was used to go back and forth to the police department where I did my BA and MS internships (Barboursville, WV). Nobody said a word - other than the ooh-aah comments. I recall that there was a HD or two at the PD. The greatest "ration of crap" came from the reserve/NG unit to which I was assigned for the purpose of the scholarship requirements. It was HD heaven, and "sportbike" acceptance in the US in 1983-1984 was, shall we say, not a high priority on the general motorcycle owners kumbaya list. If you did not own a HD, you were close to edge of being a radical pinko, closet commie, leftist leaning, and downright suspiciously almost anti-American who should be on some sort of list somewhere... Oh well...
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Moving forward... It was the dark days of the early and brutally cold winter of '84 in WV. SWMBO had several job offers, including Labelle in South Florida. She dutifully did the interviews, and when she got back she simply said that she was tired of being cold, wet, tired and hungry after many many years in Germany, NJ, WV, etc. Don't get me wrong, here, SWMBO is a southern girl, born, raised and schooled in Arkansas (UA Razorbacks); which might not be seasonally extreme, per. se., but still, gives one the appreciation for seasons, and not generally freezing to death during the winters.
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Well, Florida it was, and she packed the minimum, took the vehicle, and left me to finish my BS/MS stuff, and riding a motorcycle to and from school. We lived on a hill in the woods about 10 miles from campus, and I looked like a cross between a polar bear and a monkey on a football. Talk about really learning to ride a motorcycle, LOL!!! It was really bad during November-December of that year, and I had to slide it into a snowbank and hike the final mile up to the "house in the woods".
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I left the ice cold world of academia in late December, loaded our pitiful belongings (and the bike...) in a U-haul and headed south. Last time I had seen Florida was during a traumatic introduction to sand and strange sadistic instructors at a MIL SCUBA school in Key West back in 1971. But those PTSD memories cleared up the further south I traveled. I was in fine fettle when I arrived at our new abode.
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Now you have to understand that most of my life had been spent outside the USA, and I was still grappling with the nuances of American english, local customs, and the native indigeneous populations... Upon arrival, I cleaned my happy self up, geared up and headed to the local Sheriff's offices in the two counties. The first Sheriff I met told me that since I was a "college boy", he'd like to hire me to bring some sophistication into the agency.
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Where the hell he got that idea, I'll never know - and probably don't want to know. But he said that he had no budget until October of 1985, and asked me to become a reserve, go to the police academy, etc, and be ready for 1 October... Thought to myself at that time, "Self?, need to eat and pay rent". So I accepted the offer. In the interim, SWMBO had found me a job!!! I was the "News Director" for WVHG radio station!! I had some fame there as the most accurate weather predictor in the local area. Of course, how hard is that when 99% of the time the forecast simply required you to go outside and check the temps and basically say that there was a chance of T-storms in the afternoon, and that it would cool off below 90 by late evening...
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So much for that phase... Now, in terms of relevance to Rook's question... The fact of the matter was that the good ole' boys (including the Sheriff, Chief Deputy and the rest of the late night hog hunters...) did not like my "appearance" at 1430 hours (after finishing my 0500-1300 shift at the radio) driving that Un-American Katana. So... even though I was not "hired", they gave me a spare "take home" patrol car. Never looked back.
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As soon as I received a real paycheck (radio stations don't pay enough to live on...), I traded the Katana in for a NIB warranty VF750R. Most of the Sheriff's office folks did not like that either... Did not matter much as the head of Road Patrol was a "dick" (his wife worked for the competing newspaper...), so i was assigned to permanent midnights, assigned to the "Heart of Darkness" areas, and generally considered as a pariah. Fortunately, I was, politically, safe.
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In early-1986, SWMBO was promoted!!! She left Labelle and took over as the Editor of the Okeechobee News and was tasked to make it a daily paper. In the interim, I had traded the VF750R for a FJ1200 (sorta' like the ZX14R Ninja in the old days...). Four days on and three days off for me. Okeechobee is 60 miles, one way. The FJ1200 was a whole different way to drive compared with the then so-called "superbike". The FJ's were among the first of the "hyperbikes". Midnight punishment shifts were over and I was now on permanent "mids" from 1800 to 0200 hours... The path from Labelle to Okeeville at 3:00 AM was like driving on the dark side of the moon. Nobody... except me and the one or two midnight shift patrols in Glades and Okeechobee County.
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Here yah go Rook!! Before I left Labelle after the end of the fourth shift day at 0300..., I had the dispatcher call Glades County and Okeechobee County and advise them that I was headed home... at warp speed, LOL!!!! To be sure every coupla' days, I'd pull over and say hello to the lone rangers, and made sure they were happy with my "rapid transit". The fastest time I was able to do was 37 minutes at an average of almost 90 mph.
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Regardless of my "arrangement", the fact of the matter was that living in a shit trailer with another deputy, having to "transit" just to see my beloved, and not to mention the permanent "mids" which pretty much ruined one of the three precious days I could spend with my bride, enough was enough. I went to the Sheriff and asked if had any objections to me "transferring" up to Okeechobee County.
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Meanwhile... the dealer in Fort Myers called me in late August and wanted to know if I wanted to trade the FJ1200 in for a NIB VF1000RR. They wanted a FJ and nobody wanted the "radical" RR. Straight trade, and included the factory stand, etc. Never looked back, and other than the ZX14R, the VF1000RR is my favorite, bestest and most beloved motorcycle I ever owned!!
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The Sheriff of Hendry County called the Sheriff of Okeechobee County and offered to transfer the "college boy". I interviewed in mid September (which consisted of sitting on a stool in the new Sheriff's office and being asked strange questions about my politics...). I showed up for that interview on the VF1000RR, and the Sheriff and the Chief Deputy were there in the parking lot when I arrived. I wish I had a camera at that encounter...
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I finished my last shift, set the "world land speed record" for the trip at 35 minutes, arrived at the house, changed and SWMBO gave me a ride to the new "office". Got my uniforms, patrol car, went home, changed and that was it. I rarely if ever drove the VF1000RR to the Sheriff's office.
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There were a few members of the PD and the Sheriff's Office who drove bikes. Virtually all were less than courteous, let alone friendly when they discovered I rode one of them anti-merican "jap" bikes.
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On that note, I never really "fit" there, and over the years learned to just do the deed and go home. I was on the "road" for only one year, and then "promoted" to detective and pretty much did special assignments/ major crimes. My life was somewhat miserable because everyone knew that my wife was the Editor of the paper, and every article or letters to the editor that they disagreed with - most of them..., I was to blame because I obviously could not control my left wing liberal "bride".
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Looking back? I had one or two friends (the Sheriff's Exec Assistant), and one road sergeant who for some reason decided I was not a "threat". I was never invited to any parties, social gatherings, etc. Most of the LE personnel referred to me as the "IA guy" (which I did not do), or Agent Mulder (X-files). In the latter years of my "career" with the Sheriff's Office, I was the "Boat Boy" in a pejorative sense; as the Marine Officer, I was 10 miles away in my own building and owned the SAR and the Dive Team.
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When I retired a few years ago (taking my MIL and State retirement), I never looked back. The mentality is still the same, and everyone on this forum knows what I mean. The vast majority of police simply have no use for sport bikes. It's perhaps not as bad as it was. The new OIC of the traffic unit rides a sport bike, but he keeps rather quiet about it. The HD riders still gather for the noisy normal speed run to the coast or Sebring for "breakfast", but mostly for the camaraderie of the "culture", not to meet other riders, etc.
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To conclude with the short answer to Rook's question... Most police ride HD's off duty, and generally do not like "sportbike" riders. Given the average sportbike rider profile, I must agree with that perception. We who ride the very expensive "hyperbikes" are far more conservative than the "Gixxer" profile. But we are lone voices in the melee out there on the street.
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As far as riding fast with a pack of hard charging sportbike owning police? Probably not a good idea, because at some point, their agency will find out (usually due to the citizen complaints against anything that police do - on or off duty -), and the "higher standard" policy will doom them to losing their jobs at some point.
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In retrospect? Sometimes I feel that I never joined the police, I merely infiltrated...

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RE: Radar detectors
10/18/14 3:35 PM

Most police ride HD's off duty, and generally do not like "sportbike" riders.

Yeah, that figures but I have a little job with the Milwaukee Police and I see sportbikes parked outside of the downtown precinct and the also at the training facility. Also, I was once asked to join a ride with a group and it was mentioned that they were cops....so go figure. I wish I would have accepted that invite... I was in abig hurry and couldn't cotinue that convo.

As far as riding fast with a pack of hard charging sportbike owning police? Probably not a good idea, because at some point, their agency will find out (usually due to the citizen complaints against anything that police do - on or off duty -), and the "higher standard" policy will doom them to losing their jobs at some point.

As we are continually reminded: you can be disciplined for what you do on or off duty...and for my little job, they don't bother with 30 day suspensions, it's shitcan for you with one swift slash of the pen.

Thanks groomlake. I'll have a look into the marauding off duty police on sportbikes idea but I'm not expecting a whole lot. LOL Were told to contact out supervisor if we ever had a traffic violation "or something like that" but I don't think the sup would be too sympathetic to driving 100+ mph. Also, probably not a lot she could do for violations outside of Milwaukee and thatis where I mainly go to do fast riding. Oh well...



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RE: Radar detectors
10/19/14 7:30 AM

Years ago back when I was a brand new police person... An old, wise, crafty and generally pragmatic road patrol supervisor told me about the reality of a radar detector. In substance, he said the only people who have detectors are folks who want to speed to start with. And he also told me, with a grin to "govern yourself accordingly".
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I wonder why they are seriously illegal in some states? Huhm?
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Just remember... every time you zip by the "cagers" at 80+, you are sending a message to them about your regard for the speed limits. It's not a good message about sportbikes being broadcast. Most of us, me included, may think it's funny, demonstrates our manliness, and supports a philosophy of "speed limits be damned - I'm better at this than the "hoi polloi".
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I'll say this again!!! Don't stab the sleeping dragons with pointy sticks!!! They don't like it and will eat you. Sport bikes for the police are.... "sport"...
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If you just cannot resist the twist of the wrist, then get smart; find a road to play with, do the recon, etc., and stay away from the main roadways. Hint: Find someone to be at the other end and have comms to alert you that Officer Friendly is in the vicinity. The old rule: Piss Poor Prior Planning comes to mind...
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10/19/14 11:47 AM



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RE: Radar detectors
10/20/14 10:31 AM

This setup has literally saved me from dozens of speeding tickets. I don't ride without it.


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RE: Radar detectors
10/20/14 11:15 AM

BerndV if you don't mind; what mount is that? That's what I intend to do.

I assume its wired with an escort hardwire kit direct to the battery?

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RE: Radar detectors
10/20/14 6:33 PM

I keep my "fun" riding limited to out of town country highways. It's a rarity to even see a cop.

In traffic, I keep my place at slightly faster than the speed of traffic. Just enough that people aren't creeping up behind me. I don't hover in anyone's blind spot and it's much easier to keep tabs on other vehicles when you're approaching them from behind, not vise versa.

I know where the cops hang out, and I can typically spot them from pretty far away.

In all my years of riding sportbikes, I have only gotten one ticket. 60 MPH in a 55 zone.

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RE: Radar detectors
10/20/14 7:31 PM

In all my years of riding sportbikes, I have only gotten one ticket. 60 MPH in a 55 zone.

That's obviously because you pissed them off by not getting a real speeding ticket.



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RE: Radar detectors
10/21/14 9:53 AM

BerndV if you don't mind; what mount is that? That's what I intend to do.
I assume its wired with an escort hardwire kit direct to the battery?

It is a Techmount with the Escort hardwire kit and radar screamer speaker.



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RE: Radar detectors
10/21/14 6:20 PM

"In all my years of riding sportbikes, I have only gotten one ticket. 60 MPH in a 55 zone."

Cop must have been a real A hole to give you a ticket for 5 MPH over speed limit, what a d-bag ...



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RE: Radar detectors
10/21/14 8:12 PM

Give us a link, fahz

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RE: Radar detectors
10/22/14 10:37 AM

Thanks for the info BerndV.

Im going to send one of my x50's in to be retuned or maybe replace it with the trade-up program. Its started falsing pop or laser when I accelerate hard in my saab 92x. Ive read its either voltage fluctuation or the breakdown of the filter for laser detection.

BTW, how do you like the red-line model? I might consider the upgrade to that one or the x50 black.
does that model have the gps feature so you can tune out spots that constantly trip? or is that the next price point up? I haven't read up on them much yet.

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RE: Radar detectors
10/22/14 6:36 PM

I have had a radar detectors on every vehicle I have owned over the last 25 years and all i can say they have saved me hundreds of times. I currently have a Escort Passport IQ Radar/Laser/GPS all in one with a radar screamer hardwired in and it has saved me plenty of times. The only draw back i have is that the detector isnt water proof but other than that better safe than sorry. Here is a pic of the detector on the bike.



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