AFR ratio of 14 on the 14R has been shown time and time again to run the fastest down the track. If you all believe your bikes are there already there the conversation dies here.

Hope this helps, cheers

Helps explain what I see and that is why I so agree. But when you see that 14 go down the track and it's in the '14a Hack' you come back on and explain that.

Romans: you show two pictures to make what point?

^^

He's showing you the PC5 and Autotune setup under his seat. Also, a/f gauge on his dash (blue). If you want to tune yourself you need these tools.... Which are pricey.

Now it is my dash :P sorry Romes!

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oh, ok...thanks

Helps explain what I see and that is why I so agree. But when you see that 14 go down the track and it's in the '14a Hack' you come back on and explain that.

14a Hack ?

Romans: you show two pictures to make what point?

The point of the pictures was to show you the reader what you would have to spend to accomplish the exact same thing using the after ECU piggy back controllers. Can be done clearly, but the difference in out of pocket funds is a huge. Dollar wise, ECU Flash for the clear win.

Down side, Complete loss of control and No way to know what you really have going on with your bike. Faith alone must carry you.

Video showing new toys that gives you the User all the control. Is your AFR Wrong? Fix on the fly. Data log, study and adjust with no out side help. Race Day Adjust after every run. Love it.

ROMANS

Currently stock, don't really plan any further upgrades at this point. If anything, focuses will be on shedding weight rather than increasing power.

Primary goals:
- increase noise (loud good, outrageous bad, don't want to be heard 20 miles away)
- single side full exhaust
____- improve looks
____- prefer round canister, triangular/oval OK, asymmetrical not acceptable
____- prefer CF, aluminum OK, SS OK, Tit OK (who doesn't like tit?)
____- prefer something that will hold up for long term. If CF isn't reliable long term prefer other type.
- decrease weight
- maintain warranty
- increase power
- maintain safe AFR
Secondary (to the primary) goals:
- maximum increase power (5, 8, 12, not going to make a difference, don't care about dyno bragging rights)
- increase ridability (throttle smoothness, etc.)
Budget:
- $2000 for parts and additional cost (dyno, etc. if needed)
- I'll do installation.

Given this outline, what would be your recommendations?

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Primary goals: - increase noise (loud good, outrageous bad, don't want to be heard 20 miles away)
- single side full exhaus - decrease weight - maintain warranty - increase power- maintain safe AFR Budget: - $2000 for parts

Vic without knowing who you are and if down the road your Budget is traded in for the words "I Want More" I'll take a shot at the answer as if this is going to be all you will do.

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Flash is a given, but if worried about warranty, pull your throttle plates, Free mod. If you ever have a Major warranty issue and think they will look just put them back in.

End result allot of Bike, very little out of pocket.

Of course others may have a different opinion. Hopefully they will chime in.

ECU Flash is the Clear Winner By A long shot. Not sure why there would ever be any debate. Picture below shows what is needed to do the same job with After Market Tools. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Cash wise, ECU Flash clear Winner Again.
THE POWER COMMAND SET UP

""WOW"" so with a power command an all those other gadget you can get the same from a flash and save money
ALSO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE TO REMOVE YOUR TOOL BOX FOR ALL THOSE ACCESSORIES

* Last updated by: SlowmoZX14 on 9/1/2014 @ 1:10 PM *

His qualifying run was over 201mph with the cblast flash. :) subsequent runs over and over were faster.
Nuff said.

shazam!

* Last updated by: Cblast on 9/1/2014 @ 1:34 PM *

WELL SO FAR I HAVE NEVER HEARD NO ONE COMPLAINING ABOUT A FLASH WHICH IS GOOD

""WOW"" so with a power command an all those other gadget you can get the same from a flash and save money

Exactly. I try to say the most with the least amount of words so all can totally understand.

ALSO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE TO REMOVE YOUR TOOL BOX FOR ALL THOSE ACCESSORIES

Yes and No. My bike is fully Automatic. I Do Not shift. Computers do it for me, Goes like Fu.k But Takes Up Space. Like everything, always some trade off.

WELL SO FAR I HAVE NEVER HEARD NO ONE COMPLAINING ABOUT A FLASH WHICH IS GOOD

I never have either, I don't expect you will. The gains are huge in the bottom where you ride all the time. This is where the most fun is. Of Course there is Up top gains as well. Only need to look at C's post above to see the need if you want to run 200 plus. Your stock bike 186 mph, rumors of 191 then the stock speed limiter has you.

I want to know if SHEzammed to a new record of 207 for the 'Mile?'
And I want to know if it took capt10ed to go 208 in 1.5miles? Are we running around the house too soon?

14a??? That's WOT (watch his hand does not lift) is that one video someone showed with the AFR smacking @ 14a and change. Then, watch the shift, then watch the cutout, then watch the fuel cutback to the 13a and change, then back to 14a @ WOT again. So if I see it correctly, someone is on some flash and for the flash to show a dyno line of that 13a to aim for and it's flat over that line on the dyno sheet, where is 14a coming from in that video?

Don't give me that push in the air ram shit. You now need to explain how that foot shift hit a 13a [dyno line number] once the kill was hit. And that says WOT at ram? I am at the same air speed and I flame 13a on a shift? So no ram as it is mute in this scenario of the cut at the shift. 13a I went rich remember.

1. I want to know if SHEzammed to a new record of 207 for the 'Mile' and that is pig+flash, correct?

2. And I want to know if it took capt10ed to go 208 in 1.5miles and no pig just flash only?

3. Squash the rumor because here I assume, capt needs a pig to at least match a 207 mile run.

I would then run around the house all over again yelling the mantra, "The best can be beaten + 1 mph." Sound fair?

Here ya go hub. Stop trying to burn the house down. Not even close on being the same bike setup for the record run.

From Shanes post on 1441r

Fun Saturday at Loring. Brought my 14R along as a pit bike, but ended up registering it. Racheal rode the wheels off the bike, and it ran on old MR12, with no data logger. I even pulled a Brock Davidson, and dumped it in the pits. These old bones are aching!!
My bike went 207.42 at the mile, and 211.35 at the 1.5, with her riding. Her bike is not as strong as mine, as suspected. 199 at the mile, 201 at the 1.5. Need to install the clutch upgrade, and tinker with my ecu flash. What I did flash is working fine, extended revs, no limiter, hold traction control setting.
Cap10ted's bike went 204/207 on pump gas, I believe. It was the same basic setup, but with a more comprehensive ecu flash, and the clutch upgrade. We should have her bike on the dyno soon. If it reads fine on the dyno, it might just be the clutch holding it back while pushing against a 200 mph wall of air. We'll see!
By the time I am done, hers will make as much power as mine does now, if not more.

* Last updated by: fatsix on 9/1/2014 @ 5:11 PM *

Fun Saturday at Loring

Fatsix did any of you guys data log which AFR ran the fastest in the 1 or the 1.5 ?

Fatsix did any of you guys data log which AFR ran the fastest in the 1 or the 1.5 ?

I copied it from the other forum. Fixed it now. What ever Sebby set in the flash is the fastest AFR.

* Last updated by: fatsix on 9/1/2014 @ 5:13 PM *

No rumor, he was Cblasted. Period.
No piggyback. A man and his motorcycle (Mr.Cap's sons are amazing riders in their ownright).
208mph. 13 runs OVER 200mph. A qualifying run of 201+. No one is misleading anything. That's a fast bike.
Can you hear me now? :)
We need to also thank Nels and 2wheeldynoworks! Thanks Brother! The work speaks for itself!

* Last updated by: Cblast on 9/1/2014 @ 7:05 PM *

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I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, and also don't want take away what capt10ed and his son accomplished this weekend....I'm actually happy for them, but the numbers don't lie.

Let's NOT try to mislead people, he did ran a 207.7 but NOT for the mile, it was the mile and half.

In 2012:
Racheal Johnson (using a reflashed ecu from GUHL motors, available through Brock's Performance):

- Racheal Johnson set a class record for her one-mile standing start of 206.528 mph

- On this same pass, Johnson held the throttle to the stops for another half mile, 212.898 mph and engraving her name in the history books once more.

In 2014:
- Racheal Johnson (riding Shane's 2012 ZX-14R) 207 mph for her one-mile standing start, and 211.35 at the mile and a half.

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In 2014:
- capt10ed stated, "my best being 204 mph in the mile and 207.7 mph for the mile and half.

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* Last updated by: fatsix on 9/1/2014 @ 7:29 PM *

Kofla. What did the fucking green bike run? Same day..... 201 in a mile and a half....

You keep trying to piss on the parade, yet your the only one thats wet.

Props to Racheal, shes good at what she does.

Don't forget that anyone that wants the best of both worlds can also pursue this option. This gives you the ability to flash or be flashed, and to also fine tune your own AFR to your own specs and riding conditions.

Don't forget that anyone that wants the best of both worlds can also pursue this option. This gives you the ability to flash or be flashed, and to also fine tune your own AFR to your own specs and riding conditions.

Bout the same price as a pcv and ecu flash.

Bout the same price as a pcv and ecu flash.

Yeh fatsix, you're dead on there. They're a bit more expensive than either/or, but a really interesting tool if you want your ECU at your disposal. Just throwing it out there as an option.

Second third fourth, map made on your bike,,,,Control returns to the user. Sweetfa65 Would love to here more about how well it works. Basically how fast is it in building the AFR #'s you have have preset in the AFR tables ?

fat, Kolfa, thanks. OK, I think I have this figured out who is running what or not.
1. I am going to assume we have a head's up race that is flash for flash. Yes/no?
2. I am going to assume we have Shane and Rachael are both seasoned riders and tuner.
3. I am going to assume we have cap10 and son as novices and just went there blind with an OK prep.
4. I am going to assume Shane gave it his best shot and pulled a 212 on a massaged bike for the meet.
5. I am going to assume cap10 came back with a next time, 'I better apply this learning curve.'
6. I am going to assume 207 for Rachael's leave whereas, cap10 said my son did not leave so hard = 201.

I think Kolfa was as objective as I'm trying to be. Kolfa, so we/you are not trampled over, cap10 turned a 211 and we are talking 1 mph vs. seasoned vs. beginner's luck/prep. So the kid has potential pissing off the officials. That's my kind of rider I want on my bike. Raw/Green/now massage into a racer.

I am not about to hand the trophy to anyone yet. My score card calls it a draw. Yes Kolfa, I see the numbers, but lets not forget the bike massage and mental game we are just talking about 1 mph.

Because not one of you mentioned this is a flash for flash heads up when [I kind of knew] cap10 was flash only, right? 'I'm in a hurry, watts faster, flash or maps or both?' Here I assumed Shane is Brock'Map'Don's'Flash.... NOW IT MAKES SENSE!!!

Here, someone open the other side so I can take this off.

* Last updated by: Hub on 9/1/2014 @ 8:38 PM *