Ivan,

Wow! Exactly what I wanted to hear! I love my power but realistically, I spend more time (95%) driving down the highways and cruising the back roads. It may be fun to twist her open once in a while but I highly doubt I'll ever see a drag strip.
A flash/map combo that would reflect that is what I need.
I assume you have maps for stock pipes and slip on's?
My last 14 ('08) I had a Brock's Street Smart system and map, it ran great! No doubt! BUT,,,, I'm really liking the quiet of the stock cans. (Just not the weight or look!) If I could find some quiet slip on's I may get them in the future.
I have a neighbor with a '06 with Area P slip-on's and his bike sounds nice! Waiting to see if they offer something for the "R".
Since I've read that the factory header/downpipe does not have a cat in it, (Right??) I'm guessing I can get away with just some slip on's or what is your opinion on that?

Thanks for continuing to respond to this thread!

Yes I have maps for the stock setup too...

The 49 state USA/Canada factory header is a good piece, and it does not have a catalyst (not sure about california).... slip-ons will give a nice result too.

The beauty of the Akrapovic exhaust on my bike is that it's pretty quiet... don't confuse quiet with restrictive.

Ivan

What about the latest Gen ZX-10R and ZX-6R, I own one of each and they're pretty much stock? Are you putting together a tuning package for either one?

I guess that would be a "No"!

I have a 10 available at my disposal... Maybe by the fall of this year.

Forget about the zx6 (from me)

Ivan

Looking forward to see what you can do with the 10R, needs a midrange transplant but absolutely stellar in all other areas.

The 10 needs another header.... the pipes are too large in diameter.... way too big.

Ivan

I just dropped the bike to Ivan for the new bag of tricks!!

Soo a couple questions that prolly have already been answered..

ECU flash, If I'm not mistaken doesn't this void the factory warranty? Or is it like I can do with a car, reflash it back to stock and do a couple key cycles and it deletes it from memory?

Is the ECU required with the PCV? What are the negativities running just the PCV? if its a few HP I could really care less.

Currently I have the Two Brother Slip-ons and not sure who has map support, So Ivan, I am very interested in your product either way!

RE: Ivan's Performance Products.
06/29/12 4:47 AM

Yes I have maps for the stock setup too...

The 49 state USA/Canada factory header is a good piece, and it does not have a catalyst (not sure about california).... slip-ons will give a nice result too.

The beauty of the Akrapovic exhaust on my bike is that it's pretty quiet... don't confuse quiet with restrictive.

Ivan

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According to the parts manual there is a cat in the header on the 14Rs.

Soo a couple questions that prolly have already been answered..

ECU flash, If I'm not mistaken doesn't this void the factory warranty? Or is it like I can do with a car, reflash it back to stock and do a couple key cycles and it deletes it from memory?

Is the ECU required with the PCV? What are the negativities running just the PCV? if its a few HP I could really care less.

Currently I have the Two Brother Slip-ons and not sure who has map support, So Ivan, I am very interested in your product either way!

The way that warranty works in the US is that there would be no coverage if the failure is directly related to the modification.... In other words if it sucks a valve, throws a rod and the rev-limit is raised, then there would be no coverage..... If the wire harness melts or the stator fails, then the ECU has nothing to do with it.

The ECU could be sent back and flashed back to it's original configuration because each unit's owners name saved and numbered.... the ECU is also given a laser etched serial#.... this is used by Guhl to identify the ECU and the files inside. This may mess things up for someone who wants to decieve their dealer.

Doing my flash without raising the rev-limiter shouldn't affect the warranty on the engine.

It depends if you want the restrictions/emission regulated tuning removed from your bike.... No you don't need it done for 1/4 mile racing... for that you can just remove the flies and remap.... a lot of drag guys don't really care about driveability.

If you like the things I have listed below, then the flash is for you:

Flawless quality throttle and perfect response to the throttle, easy modulation while leaned way over without upsetting the your line.

Cooler running temps

No more safety mode when whacking the throttle open in the lower 3 gears (appx 30 hp here)
(even when you turn TC off - it's not really 100% off)

No more backfiring

No more having to turn the TC off every time you turn the key on... it will remember the last setting that you had it set to.

No more speed limiter

Raising the rev limiter with the proper tune will add another usable 500 rpm of adrenaline releasing power.
(This is optional with us)

I hope this answers your questions,

Ivan

* Last updated by: Ivan on 7/6/2012 @ 4:55 AM *

According to the parts manual there is a cat in the header on the 14Rs.

Parts manual is wrong.

Ivan

Flawless quality throttle and perfect response to the throttle, easy modulation while leaned way over without upsetting the your line.
Cooler running temps
No more safety mode when whacking the throttle open in the lower 3 gears (appx 30 hp here)
(even when you turn TC off - it's not really 100% off)
No more backfiring
No more having to turn the TC off every time you turn the key on... it will remember the last setting that you had it set to.
No more speed limiter

all of above appeal very much

YES JUST WHAT IVAN SAID!

Talk to Jafo, he rode my bike back in '06 after Ivan's stuff was on there and ordered the goodies from Ivan the next day. Had them shipped to Miami and the dealer installed everything there before crating it up for the trip back to Ireland.

I can't believe how smooth the power is on my bike til this day.

I remember him telling me how good your bike felt, hoping to meet up with him soon, looks like ill have to try a reflash

Hello Ivan...I read your info here...and I was curious though about one thing.First off...I am NOT a tech guy...or anything remotely resembling one.You mentioned something here about the KTRC...when turned off...isn't really "off".I know Brock mentioned something along these lines as well.I'm certainly not 'doubting' what you say about it...I know virtually nothing about it except that it's got the settings for minimal slip,medium slip,and serious slip stopping capabilities.I've run all three settings just to see for myself how well it did or didn't work.It seemed to me that it was doing exactly as it's supposed to do.Having said that....I also ran several times with it in the "off" setting.I'm trying now to understand when you say it's not really off....how are you coming to that conclusion.I don't mean to sound like I'm being a smart ass or trying to corral you somehow...I'm not.My experience with it being "off" was...a very risky and possibly dangerous setting if one didn't know when it actually kicked in or whatever.I have to say...my bike...my 14R...with the KTRC turned off will gladly and easily flip completely over if you cause it to do that.No question on my mind.And I can't really think of ANY type of street riding where the bike would somehow 'self save' even overriding the pilot inputs if it somehow detected a problem with traction.I have hit some pretty good open sweepers,well above the 140 mark...and applied throttle for th exits...with KTRC off...I have to say...IMO...I couldn't detect ANY engine/timing modulation in any of these runs.Same with straights and such.Powering up above 7,8 grand and beyond...and shifting for more torque and such...the engine was delivering full performance.I can definitely feel,and hear the KTRC working when I have it turned on in some situations.

I just can't imagine a street riding scenario where the ecu would actually intervene.....I'm not saying you're wrong...not even...but maybe you could clarify this thing for me....My understanding of the default KTRC setting going back to "1" every shutdown...to me...that looks like Kawasaki did about all they could do to try and keep a guy from jumping straight onto this bike...whenever...and having a total beast sitting under him unrestrained.IMO...this motorcycle COULD be very dangerous without the KTRC 'on'...IF you didn't realize it.Mine wheelies at will...dangerously so...quickly at the right RPMs....it will go past 12 o'clock if I stay in it.No doubts here with that KTRC turned 'off'.It certainly isn't making any ecu override adjustments when it starts to loft and keep climbing....unless I let up.Otherwise...it's bye bye bike.It may be 'showing up' on a dyno somehow...but it certainly doesn't seem to be making adjustments on it's own...not that I can feel anyway.That number one setting on there...I can say here...it didn't save my front end from slipping...nor did I expect it to in a lateral slip.Had it been turned off...it would have reacted exactly the same...I've had her break loose with it turned off...the ECU didn't do anything to stop it.All this was in FULL power mode.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 7/11/2012 @ 1:24 AM *

i think the dyno men are seeing reduction in the power curve in some circumstances, even when ktrc is turned"off"
meaning you dont get full power all the time,
i wonder why they build bikes with sneaky restrictions like that...are designers/electronic men told we need to think about warranty too? are they worried about our safety?

grn, looks like you are wondering about ktrc and front end traction? or am i reading you wrong?

* Last updated by: motero on 7/11/2012 @ 2:33 AM *

Put your bike at 4500 rpm in 2nd gear and suddenly pin the throttle 100% wide open (instantly).... you will get the reduced power mode. The way that this is set up, is to affect gears 1 through 3.

A TRE-008 would get rid of this symptom too, and also will obviously kill the gear indicator too.

If you roll the throttle on, or give 40-50% instantly and roll it on the rest of the way, you won't see it.

All of this is taken care of the right way with the ECU flash.

Ivan

* Last updated by: Ivan on 7/11/2012 @ 6:36 AM *

Ivan, sure wish you did the '09 ZX-6R, mine is the most fun out of all my bikes. Mother Green got this one right IMHO, great topend (for a Supersport) and decent low to midrange and the handling is sweet . Why don't you like it? Just curious.

Okay Ivan..thank you....haven't done it quite like that yet.Thanks again.;)

No Motero...I wasn't worried about the frontend losing it.Any bike will slip on something like that.I expected it to do it...but I have to say...she did very well on the rest of em...THAT surprised me.Pleasantly.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 7/11/2012 @ 9:07 AM *

thats ok, it looked like ya thought ktrc might help front end..

That number one setting on there...I can say here...it didn't save my front end from slipping...nor did I expect it to in a lateral slip.Had it been turned off...it would have reacted exactly the same...I've had her break loose with it turned off...the ECU didn't do anything to stop it.All this was in FULL power mode.

I think it would MAYBE save a frontend slide IF the lateral slide and forward motion were LONG ENOUGH.Breaking grip on the front (leaned in)it seems to me that the wheel speed with a lateral slide would take a tad more length to trigger the KTRC...not like a wheel slip in forward motion and breaking loose from throttle.IDK...I REALLY try to avoid the snakes...but...sometimes...they're right there before you can correct around em(when turning).I ran mine on setting two for a little bit.I pinned the throttle....several times...just to see what it would do(before).It didn't kick in that I could tell.Then on '3'...it actually DID kick in in a couple of hard takeoffs and hard roll ons.I stay in '1' just because...I don't want to tempt fate.I hit some curves pretty fast and leaned over pretty good sometimes.No sense in chancing something.I think the '2' setting is very good however if you really don't want to feel worried(too much)about tire slip leaned in hard.That '1' setting...it MAY be a bit TOO forgiving...it'll definitely stop wheelies when it gets the frontend off long enough.But in a turn,with split seconds to "do something fast"....I don't think that '1' setting is gonna help a guy much...just my opinion.Wrecks happen REALLY quick.That '3' setting is very sensitive.

will the front wheel speed activate ktrc???
maybe im wrong, but i would not have imagined so!!
im guessing its wired to diferentiate rear wheelspeed in relation to front, and not vice versa
or is it the same thing?..and i hope i dont find out the hard way!

* Last updated by: motero on 7/11/2012 @ 11:51 AM *

Here's my

I'm here to give my 1st. Report. About 3 months ago I put the Akrapovic Full Racing Exhaust Hexagonal form my 2007 ZX14 too my new 2012 ZX14r I also got the bike reflash at the same time. It run a little rough it would backfire on deaccelraction from time to time. The gas mileage was not the greatest don't get me wrong there was power there but it was very raw there was delays in the throttle response all over in every gear nothing big but it was there.

Week before last I took a ride up to Vanson Leather in Fall River MASS. it was a 187 miles each way. I felt that with the 1st flash it was good in the 1st through 4 gears 5th an 6th gears were rather flat not a pulling hard gears at all! An we were hitting speeds of 160-170 at times but we even hit 185 with room togo we were mostly running at 80-90 mph. With 5th an 6th gear the gas mileage would tank and I would loss 3 to 4 bars within 50 miles of running at 80-90 mph. and this was all done in FULL/1 mode and FULL/-off mode cause i could not remember to shut it off all the time. Also she was running hot from 198-225 degrees but again it a ZX14r they always run hot my 07 ZX14 ran hot and my 2012 I would say ran a little hotter just because it's a bigger motor. The outside temp. was 92 degrees out not to humid.

Ok I got my bike back from Ivan on Saturday!

THE LIST OF GOODS

1. PC V
2. A new reflash
3. Ivan's custom map

On Sunday I went on a ride up-state with some friends for run about 160 miles round trip. It was a hot an humid that day about 91 degrees out. Now that I got my baby back here are my findings.

It's a night an day difference. The bike now is faster an much smoother then the 1st flash. I will say the new mods are a very nice add-on's. She is now cooler to ride my ride on Sunday was great I never went above 215 degrees an this was at a light so all day I was anywhere from 198-215 degrees. There is no more backfiring on acceleration or de-acceleration the throttle response is now right there all the time! The power is great the best way for me to explain it is now she is more refined and is more spot on then before an now 5th an 6th gears are no longer flat to me they pull like the 1st 4 gears do. Now all six are right an tight!! Gas mileage is much better though I did not spend much time on the highway but when I did I still had my gas in the tank instead of leaving it all over the highway. I have to tell you 3rd gear is INSANE she pulls like a S.O.A.B. now... I still have the gear indicator an everything and now it remembers what mode I left it in when I turn the bike off/on I love that because I always forget to reset it to where I want it.

I ran my boy who has a 2008 Hayabusa piped, powercommander, TRE and all that other stuff we even weigh about the same we did a roll on from 2nd gear and it wasn't even close then did a roll on starting from 3rd gear an then had the same outcome and this was done in LOW/1. Now I know I need more time in the saddle but I have to let you all know Ivan has his $hit on point!

He has out done himself yet again!!

More reports will follow...

* Last updated by: Black1 on 7/11/2012 @ 3:49 PM *

"will the front wheel speed activate ktrc???"...apparently it does...it stops the frntend from going all the way over;)

I think the KTRC has been kinda misrepresented.It won't save ya in certain circumstances...nothing will.It's meant to keep the most traction at the rear wheel possible...under various conditions.Course,that's a no brainer.It performs that excellently IMO.It will read a wheel speed difference from front to back...so if the front wheel slows from being off the ground...it will kick in and try to correct it.Which it does.I don't think it will save ya if the bike is doing a lateral slip...as long as the wheels are turning the same speed...it can't see any problem.If either wheel in a lateral slide change speed,then yes,it will try to correct that.Unfortunately,a lateral slide occurs so quickly,and is over so fast...that any intervention of ignition retard would most likely be useless.If you were on a long curve,and leaned in...and on the gas or whatever...a lateral slide at that point MAY be detectable over a longer range of forward motion,and the deal MAY save you from overdoing the tire's traction.If the rear kicks in....in a turn...I think they designed it bike wise to take into account a front possible slide as well.So in that sense..it could easily save ya from going full on into a lowside.But I don't think IMO the '1'setting is actually sensitive enough to catch it just as it's happening.'2' or '3'...yes...it is very quick to respond.If you could get the front wheel off the ground...and somehow turn it FASTER than the rear...I'd be curious to see how the ktrc handles that.Normally,it would be 'always' the rear travelling faster than the front(breaking loose,slipping).Whether a guy's leaned in in a curve...or rollin straight and burnin rubber...I don't think it has the capability to actually 'know' whether it's vertical or lateral.Spin is spin.If it had some sort of accelerometer deal for lateral movement,it would be that much better...not that it's lacking by any means.The fact that a guy is pushing his bike,and isn't losing it at certain times is proof that the deal works.Kinda.I'm not gonna go ride in the rain and gas her as hard as possible just to see....but so far...I've had no actual rear slides at all.(leaned over).But I don't add throttle agressively(much) leaned into a fast curve anyway...so...I may be just under the threshold.IDK.I'm too concerned about oncoming traffic while rollin into a fast curve.One 'over the double' cage,I'd be in deep shit.I don't ride the centerline...much when turning in...I try not to.But sometimes..ya gotta hug the center cause the exit will tighten up on ya really quick at higher speeds.Sometimes.Like your off camber turn and all...Scarey shit when yer rollin hard and something "just doesn't feel right with this curve"...by then,it can be too late.I've had my share of those pucker moments.No fun.But ya learn...ya better if yer gonna continue to ride those roads and push yer bike.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 7/11/2012 @ 12:33 PM *