Hey Rome..you most likely know this already...and maybe I'm wrong in my assumption....but...If it was me I would charge that Yuasa BEFORE trying to "see if it works".Since 07....She's most likely VERY DEAD.Cranking it may not be the best idea?IDK...maybe it really doesn't matter or you meant you were gonna charge it up first?

Charged it 20 min on ten amps now in bike and fires right up. Voltage now reading 13.2 volts. I know this old batt should die but if charging system to blame I don't want to risk the new batt from new bike. I will say close to house. Ramps now in truck. I'm not pushing again. If charging system is good,,,,,, well,,, I will know in a hour. Cheers.

Romes, the secret is:

1. I ramp it up on the charge rate, yeah, I may feel it getting warm.
a. Charged at the 2ah rate for a few hours.
b. Did the battery feel warm as it was charging? Nope. Cold as a clue.

2. I take the trickle charger with the low/slow/sulfation at the charging station.
a. Charged at even a slow amp rate and a little longer but oh, in a couple of hours or less?
b. Hot to the touch within a few minutes to maybe less than a half hour, she is hot and getting hotter is that clue.
c. WATT clue? The clue that if you charge a good battery, she is going to remain cold and traffic is free to ROME about.
d. Yeah, but you said hot is what is hot? Hot says that traffic is tied up, everyone is getting hot under the collar, no flow of traffic and you sit, overheat because of the chemical clog and heat just keeps building with that amp running at a brick wall.
e. Finally the wallet has to come out, bend over, peniserved. You're F'd!

Just got back from a 2 hour run. Old battery which had no love from the day I bought the TurnTech worked like a champ. Bikes charging system all good.

Ran every test I could think of. Bike dash meter slow to react and is always at least .5 volts out of range. I was going to tape Fluke Meter to gas tank and go for a ride but I thought Hub might give me shit lol.

Funny part is the old turntech had the highest voltage. I know voltage means nothing as it does not show the batteries ability to produce high cranking amps but I have no other way to place a load on battery outside the starter. So,,,.

End Result Is My SHORAI is NFG.

Real test Now begins. Looking forward to the story from them telling me how "I" killed it. Sorry, I guess that's not fair but I never have much luck with warranty issues and shipping costs for defective products. Double burn. We will see.

* Last updated by: Romans on 9/12/2011 @ 6:33 PM *

Did the battery feel warm as it was charging? Nope. Cold as a clue.

No, Hub it's like it has a internal open circuit.

Found it. Look at Date. Snow then. So I got maybe 5 months use.

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Ahhhhh Click, won't except produt as batteries and won't except part #,,,, stuck in loop. Figures

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Shorai Contact Request
I am trying to get an RMA number to return a battery that is under warranty, however your form does not accept the product description (batteries)and part number (LFX18A1-BS12). Battery was purchased directly from you in January 2011. Please HELP , I need this RMA number to return the package thanks

* Last updated by: Romans on 9/12/2011 @ 7:46 PM *

Cold feel of a questionable battery stays cold while charging = It may come back, cold is a good sign.
Hot and getting hotter is a junk battery = Forget about it.

Balance:

I go to some battery depot. I bring my ohm meter. I need two 12v batteries, I'm going 24 volts in series/parallel watts the difference. The point is I want equal batteries in output. Ideally, I want to hunt for two 13.4v ~ I thew out a number.

I'm going to charge those with one charger. I need those to say balanced between each outer @ 13.4v. I do not want to purchase a 12.6v battery next to the one that is 13.4. If I do, my high may trickle down to 12.6v = Imbalance. Why? Because the 12.6 is all she wrote. 12.6 is snowflake burned in stone is how she was built. No matter the charge, the theory goes, she will drag the stronger battery down, don't buy the 12.6, hunt for the 13.4 = Perfect Balance.

Shore wee nuff.

shitman- -- if I have to understand all of this to know if my battery is good or not, I'll just buy a new one every 2-3 years.

You sure get to the bottom of things, Rom. Hope you get a refund or better yet a free new battery. This will suck if Shorais start dropping like flies.

(little afterthought: when have you ever seen a fly drop???)

Hope the dead Shorai is just a lemon and they send a nice new one to you.

Rom. Hope you get a refund or better yet a free new battery.

I hope so too. My experience has been the small print always gives them a way out. See print below. This failed while I was riding the bike. I'm sure some how I'm to blame.

Conditions Not Covered

Using a battery model other than what is recommended by the Shorai "Battery Finder".
Over-voltage charging, or other error by charger or user setting of charger.
Use in excess of cranking (CCA) specifications
Short circuit of main terminals or BMS port
Improper connections to the 5-pin BMS port
Over-discharge (i.e. resting voltage allowed to fall below 12.8V/6.4V for Lfx 12V/6V types)
Physical Damage to the pack occurring after purchase (impact, water/salt corrosion, etc)

Funny abought these Batteries I noticed them advertised in my MCN mag today saying they will Last up to 4X "Normal Lead Acid" ones do & I thought I should of bin reading up these posts ! so obviously I havent so to bring me up to date then Bros whats the "General Verdict" how many of yer had problems like Romans ? Kruz ? others ?

No problems here, so far Bean,....keepin my fingers crossed. I installed my Shorai in the CBR about 9 months ago, I estimate maybe 80 to 90 start cycles and she's still crankin like a beast.

Hoping Romans ordeal turns out to be just a one off fluke and they get him taken care of with a new battery. These forums can make or break a manufacturer, especially a new one like Shorai. They're sellin 'em like hotcakes right now but bad news will spread fast if there's longevity issues.

I don't want to go back to lead/acid batteries, hoping for a positive outcome for ya Romes!

http://www.zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1701671#post1701671

Well, so far it looks like we've had at least one other Shorai failure.

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* Last updated by: Kruz on 9/13/2011 @ 8:29 AM *

If it pee'z is the court, I pee scenthevidence. No one listens to turtle, therefore, Shorai/Yuasa/Other batt manufact is fact... If it's not in my ear it's plugged in. If my wrinkle-pucker is not suction cupping the seat... Pluggit'inn Plugit'inn!

How old is that phone? How if I told you that is the original battery going strongit'inn, plug it INN!

Watch the footwork.

* Last updated by: Hub on 9/13/2011 @ 9:27 AM *

I don't want to go back to lead/acid batteries, hoping for a positive outcome for ya Romes!

Kruz when you jumped in I went right behind you. If it does not work out I really won't be to up set. I took a chance as I always do and the dice came up Snake Eyes. What hurts me is this batt was truly Awesome and I had high hopes. Cranking of the 18AH will be hard act to follow. Was sweet. On a sad note I will not buy one every 5 months. In Canada I paid what I think was 275 with shipping. Never again if SHORAI turns there back on me. I did nothing out of the Norm

* Last updated by: Romans on 9/13/2011 @ 8:13 PM *

Just found this

Hi Rick, your RMA number is #972. Can you provide your bike year, make and model information and a description of what was the issue is with the battery? Unfortunately we are out of stock of the 18A1 until 9/27, so I hope you can charge your battery or get by until then? Otherwise we will look into issuing you a refund.

Thanks,
Shawn Higbee
Shorai Inc.
845 Stewart Dr. Suite D
Sunnyvale, CA 94085

Office: 408-720-8821
Mobile : 414-397-2056
Fax : 408-720-1537
Email : racetech@shorai.org
www.shoraipower.com

Hello Roman, I have submitted this RMA for you. What web browser are you using? I have noticed from time to time that my Google chrome browser does not change to the battery types even though I have selected the battery category. We are working on a way to fix this glitch. But in the meantime, your RMA number is A972. Also, I need to know the Year Make and Model of your motorcycle along with any possible accessories? Last but not least, I will need a description of what happened when you determined the LFX failed? (was it in the morning before work or was it hot outside? Was is very cold outside? Did the battery get drained from headlights, etc.) We apologize for this inconvenience but hope to have you riding on the road again soon.

Sincerely,

Aaron Jackson-Wilde
Shorai Inc.

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The make is a 2010 kawasaki ZX - 14 Ninja. What happened : I rode the bike for what I think was 300 kilometers. Parked bike for 30 min. Went to go for a ride and bike started but turned over slow. Gave it a charge Bike started. Went for a ride 45 min later I was pushing bike home. Sorry that's realy all the drama I have. I will answer any and all questions. I am a big fan of what this batt had to offer. Please help.

As you can see from link below I have been a big fan of yours from the beginning. If you Help Me with warranty you would be the first. Sorry for being negative buttttt, been bitten to many times. I will report the good or bad. Hope this is ok ?

http://www.zx14ninjaforum.com/messages.cfm?threadid=4D326251-D56B-84E2-1F9E797AF25264B6&page=15ű

* Last updated by: Romans on 9/13/2011 @ 8:10 PM *

I would ask for a 14 amp. they may have more of those and you know, half pound lighter! drink a beer instead of peeing one out.

http://www.higbee-racing.com/sponsors.htm The day job. The sponsor top right corner. The name sounded familiar.

Hey Higs! If you're reading this...

Romes, I posted on two sites, only one failure other than yours. Everyone else loves em. Other guy that had a failure used a battery tender, I think that is a no no. I heard a recommendation to rebalance the cells periodically using the Shorai charger. It sounds like Shorai will fix you up, good customer service, the Jeffo of batteries. Get a new one is my advice, you can't go back to lead boat anchors.

Krus, between you and general with his decals, I can't catch my breath around here. "The J of Bs"

only one failure other than yours.

Why does mine have to be the one lol. I remember when TurnTech was getting Rave reviews. Then customers started to complain. At that time vendor got,,,, Cranky implied we were not using it correctly. Ok ?

Other guy that had a failure used a battery tender,

I Don't own one. Sounds like I need to purchase one of theirs.

It sounds like Shorai will fix you up, good customer service, the Jeffo of batteries.

Must admit sounds real positive. We will see. Little worried about the jeffo part, New plugs needed and I pay yuk-E ?

Well, just got my new battery. Says fill to level line. Almost there. Fuck charging it too.

http://xectrik.net/images/motivationalposters/bears-on-motorcycles-poster.jpg

I had mine on the Schumacher maintainer for 2-3 days. It was fully charged after sitting inactive for 2 monthsbut I wanted to be safe. I will be leaving the battery sit until it is ready to go back in the bike. Hope it's not toast. I'll let you all know what happens.

I wish I had an answer for you on this Rook. I have the same charger you do I believe and I won't use it on the Shorai, my manual says something about a de-sulfate mode. A big selling point for this battery is it can sit up to one year and still crank your bike so no need for a tender in my humble opinion. Mistakes will be made when new technology is introduced until everyone learns the ropes. If they introduced L/As today people would be screaming at the propensity to sulfate and incur irreversible damage after as little as 90 days of sitting idle. I had a buddy leave his key on for five days on his new 2011 ZX-10R, battery was DEAD, would not come back on a charger and he had to get a new one. Fortunately KHI stepped up to the plate and replaced it for free... stuff happens. Romes, the one other Shorai failure was replaced with no questions asked, my understanding was the guy used a battery tender but Shorai replaced it any way. They have invested a huge sum in this new battery technology, they don't need bad press, I think you'll get a new one and be on your way. See if you can get them to anny up the freight charges.

Sorry about the Jeffo reference, that may be a sore spot with some.

Another Shorai thread:

http://www.1000rr.net/forums/showthread.php?t=88082

* Last updated by: Kruz on 9/14/2011 @ 11:05 AM *