Can a good Muslim be a good Australian?
This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his reply:
Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia .
Religiously - no.. . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam . (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)
Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.
Geographically - no . Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews
Politically - no.. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan, Australia and the rest of the free world.
Domestically - no. .. . Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 )
Intellectually - no. . Because he cannot accept the Australian Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. . . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim
Government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no.. . . Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore, after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Australians.
Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. ....
Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.
SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.
Please let me know if we got it wrong here somewhere??

O I can answer that one, but one wouldn't want to be politically incorrect lol.

Your text to link here...

Bean, i beleive it's not as simple as that.

I despise anyone who comes to Australia and does not respect the rules, culture, freedoms and beliefs we hold so precious here.
But a huge part of the problem is the bloody do gooders and weak leaders who don't have the backbone or balls to make required decisions.
You break established laws in certain countries and you are stoned, have your hands chopped off, thrown in to a hell hole of a jail, etc. Resident or visitor. The message is "Respect our rules and laws no matter who you are. Break them and you will pay the price". No ifs. No buts.
You don't like it? Don't come.

But in Australia, the do gooders say "Oh, we must respect that persons beliefs, even if it isnt what we beleive in or compromises our laws". And the leaders buckle rather than making a stand.
Examples.
Someone wearing a full burka is permitted to enter a bank, but I walk in with a motorcycle helmet on and watch the fireworks...
Or a minority advises they are offended by the words of a nursery rhythm that never meant any offence that we grew up with, or aspects of Xmas that contradicts certain religious beliefs and what do we do? We change it for them. Forget the majority who have been here for hundreds of years! Forget what the Diggers fought for.
Entertain the minority who now know they will be catered to.

Bean, say I turned up to your house naked for a beer. You would probably say, "Man, you can't come in like that. I have a family here. Go put some clothes on and it's cool", I may say "Well I don't want to. My religion dictates I must drink beer naked".
But it's your house. Your rules. I now have a choice. Get dressed or don't come in. Simple.
But what if your wife then says "Oh let him in. Let's cater to him and what he believes in even though they are totally opposed to our culture, beliefs and laws".
And I'm sitting there with it all hanging out happily drinking my beer and your children are present witnessing this.
How would you feel Bean?
See what I'm trying to get at?
Different cultures are coming to this country with their different beliefs and religions and there's nothing wrong with that.
But when those beliefs compromise ours and also our laws we cater to them rather than disallow them.

We also have a lot to answer for mate because we are being walked over here and we are freely allowing it to happen...

* Last updated by: yannih on 10/21/2014 @ 3:13 PM *

Look at how civilized mooselames are to each other should tell you something about humanscum.
Look at how you dumbshits let them walk all over you with your own laws but they follow theirs and trample on yours in a Catch22 shithere law way against any western law is who believes in your shitty laws, you corrupt see how that works how the more corrupt is that tax on the west torn's ass?
Look at how israel takes care of the mooselamemenace the west torn way is tear them a new asshole.
Look at how your crime rose when the menace lands = Rape your dumbshit women you dumbshits western dummies!
Look at how stupid you begin to look as the west torn stu pits and the mooselamenace mingle.
Look at how your ass is taxed buy oil alone ho-ho-hee-hee-ha-ha!
Look at how every flyday the blood flies out of the war shit peers like sheep you better cut their meat off
Look at how there is 'rivers of wine,' boys of 9 for the ladies, baby girls of 9 and they are of dark hair.
Look at how the warrior is to obey rule #19 is 'do not take into battle under your arms is a boy without facial hair' so you can rape it on the battle field later after you ravaged that village for it, sold the girls, baby girls, and women, to the warlords [after you handed them out to the battle boys and that booty] so they can sell them again when they are done with them and these are still the sickass followers of this sick cult you need to squash every flyday they fly on their knees and do this culthingaydicklick pry on a rug?!

We also have a lot to answer for mate because we are being walked over here and we are freely allowing it to happen...

Think of how Christianity behaved 600 years ago.... having a 600 year head start and having already gone through a reformation is the main difference in the actions of Muslims and Christians... All three of the Abrahamic religions have their periods of brutal behavior based on their equally brutal and fanciful religious texts. That being said, whatever belief system a person decides to follow is fine with me as long as it does not impact me or my family, the government, education and the civil rights of others...

That being said, whatever belief system a person decides to follow is fine with me as long as it does not impact me or my family, the government, education and the civil rights of others...

And here I was, almost convinced you were brain damaged.

Then you come up with this pearl during an obvious moment of clarity.

Could be hope for you yet.

as long as it does not impact me or my family, the government, education and the civil rights of others...

In a column in October magazine, he lamented, "the world around us is busy with the conquest of space, genetic engineering and the wonders of the computer," while Muslim scholars concern themselves with sex in paradise

Farag Foda - Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farag_Foda

That being said, whatever belief system a person decides to follow is fine with me as long as it does not impact me or my family, the government, education and the civil rights of others...

No offense, but how am I to take that? Facetiously or naively? I see how an empire falls is the stew pits and the praying penis IS... LOL Your daughters... The penis IS are after your daughters... Hello? Imam is caught mow ham'inn someone's little girl... Hello?

Loot out it's the IS! No, it's the penis pecker cutter offers... The A Thee US! Run mow hammy, lock your zipper!

"Think of how Christianity behaved 600 years ago.... "...this clearly shows a misunderstanding of WHAT Christianity in reality IS.Christianity is followers of Jesus Christ.PERIOD.If they're NOT following His teachings and everything that goes with it....they're NOT Christians.Not that they can be perfect,or must be...but brutality and murder and these things are NOT Christian.If you're referring to the middle ages and inquisitions and such...that was NOT Christianity.Regardless of the cross they flew on their flags and vestments.

Jesus said..."the gate is narrow...to follow the true Christian path"....God knows who each one is....whether others know or not.He doesn't go shouting from the rooftops saying..."HEY ALL...look at them....my people"...their works prove who they belong to.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 10/27/2014 @ 9:13 PM *

IN a Nut Shell the present time most the West has Education and DAESH dont want the TRUTH!

Geez GRn14,
I've been on your side ever since I joined this site.
I have read and taken in all your ZX-14 opinions.
And have been very thankful for these.
Plus I respect your personal beliefs.
But easy on the religious push.
Remember there are some of us that don't believe what you do.
I can give you 1000 logical reasons why there is no god but you can't give me one single piece of proof to the contrary.
But I don't bring that up here.
I raise this with the upmost respect...

"But easy on the religious push"....LOL!!Just giving my 'observation' in regards to stereotyping 'Christianity'...
"Remember there are some of us that don't believe what you do"....totally understand...I try to be mindful of that and choose my words as carefully as possible.I know this isn't a 'religious' forum or whatever.

Sa'll good Yannih...I'm not actually pushing Christianity....each person gets to believe whatever they wish...just blanket remarks about some things sparks my feelings.I trust God...I do.But saying things here or elsewhere in no way is an attempt to try and convert anyone.I mention sometimes verses.Actually helps me to stay focused on what I need to be doing....not meant to be applied to anyone else here.

Like saying.."America's the great terrorist"...you know...stuff like that.

I guess my remarks come from having been in some seriously bad situations...and making it out the other side;)I don't attribute that to fate.So I guess I'm somewhat biased....hard for me to not say something when I feel as I do...but I'll try....thanks for the post Yannih...seriously.;)

"I can give you 1000 logical reasons why there is no god"....agreed...totally.;)

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 10/28/2014 @ 7:42 AM *

I wish everyone in the world tried to act like a Christian. It doesn't really matter to me too much if they actually are or if they're something else...or nothing. atheists are ok. Muslims are just fine too as long as they don't go around cutting people's heads off. War and atrocities have often been the result of blind faith, ISIS is driven by the same dynamic as the crusaders of the Inquisition were. No matter what you are, blind faith in anything can leave you vulnerable to those that bend religion to their will.

..or bend ANYTHING to their will. Hitler wasn't big on religion but he rallied most of his people behind him because they believed in what he told them.

* Last updated by: Rook on 10/28/2014 @ 7:54 AM *

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-29655443

I'd send them back. ISlame means 'to convert' and they come to do it slowly and place your own laws up against you. They will take your freedom away is the game play. A slow death to the west... and look at that smiling submission she wears the whore cape. That is sexually submitting if you don't get it you dumb aussie ass cunts! LOL

Grn, you are a good man.
Maybe one day we can have a couple of beers and a respectful discussion on beliefs.
You never know.
Hub, I know my lifetime wont be anywhere near long enough but I'm still trying to figure you out.
I'll give you one thing though.
You are definitely one of a kind...

* Last updated by: yannih on 10/28/2014 @ 11:31 AM *

"Maybe one day we can have a couple of beers and a respectful discussion on beliefs"...I'm down with that..but let's not forget....we'll have to bring our Ninjas with us!LOL!!!.I actually LOVE discussing other ideas about the 'Creation' thing and beginnings and such.I'm in;)

Here's the thing, religion is largely a reflection of the person involved in it.
Take a decent, kind and compassionate person who, for whatever reason decides to become a Christian (insert religion of choice) They will be drawn to the kinder, compassionate and more noble passages in the Bible (insert book of choice) while eschewing the more psychotic and evil passages. These people will be the ones working with the poor, visiting those in prison, and helping the disenfranchised.
Take a selfish, mean spirited person who, for whatever reason decides to become a Christian (insert religion of choice) They will be drawn to the more socio/psychopath passages while eschewing the kinder, compassionate and more noble passages. These people will act like Pat Robertson, James Dobson, et al who use religion as a bludgeon to justify their bigotry, hatred and intolerance. The thing is, both groups can use the same books to justify their behavior... both groups would be right, and wrong....

"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."
Napoleon

Changed my mind...;)(on deleting that is).

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 10/29/2014 @ 9:58 AM *

Go ahead and pray or else accept you're on your own. All that matters to me is that people are well educated and open minded so they don't end up pawns.